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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Ingvild, Valerie and
SW-listers, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Well Ingvild I looked at
your spelling of “BAM” - it is as Valerie said many times before –
all of us are free to write as we want to – as long as it gives the
feeling that what we write is what we want to express ... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In this case you did not
want to write a “word” but a non-manual marker. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I understand – no problem.
The same thing is going on in DGS. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Interestingly you found a
way to give us some kind of feeling of what it feels like to perform this “non-manual
marker” – obviously I come close to it if I do some kind of
voiceless “BAM” <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Well to perform “BAM”
does not mean to speak a word – it can just be kind of playing around
with options of possible speech/sound production or even lip gymnastics. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Well you decided to write
this non-manual marker as “BAM” but not “BAB” or “MAM”
or “MAB” <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The standards in
GebaerdenSchrift allow to identify these different options exactly ...So the
signer is going to read what his mouth wants to express as a “non-manual
marker” – not specifically as a word!! <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Stefan ;-) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
[mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>Ingvild Roald<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Dienstag, 18. August
2009 16:00<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b> sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> RE: AW: AW: [sw-l] Mouth
movements Bam</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>The explanation is good - for speech reading. But this
mouth/lip movement is not a word, it is a non-manual marker that something is
happening very fast. So I think what I should do is like the one I have
attached here, in png and jpg, (Norwegian 'word' of course not in a Sign
Writing document)<br>
<br>
Ingvild <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
> From: stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de<br>
> To: sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br>
> Subject: AW: AW: [sw-l] Mouth movements Bam<br>
> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:29:04 +0200<br>
> <br>
> Hi Valerie, <br>
> <br>
> Your explanation is perfect!<br>
> <br>
> That is exactly what it means! <br>
> In fact sometimes the circles show a little gap which gives a hint - kind
of<br>
> artificial support - that a new word begins! <br>
> <br>
> All these spellings depend on your interest. If you would like to support<br>
> young deaf students in Germany you better write more of these circles -<br>
> smile - as you can see in many, many videos - this kind of voiceless<br>
> lip-movements are a very important aspect in DGS!<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Stefan ;-) <br>
> <br>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<br>
> Von: sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br>
> [mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von Valerie
Sutton<br>
> Gesendet: Montag, 17. August 2009 16:50<br>
> An: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">SignWriting List</st1:PersonName><br>
> Betreff: Re: AW: [sw-l] Mouth movements Bam<br>
> <br>
> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">SignWriting List</st1:PersonName><br>
> August 17, 2009<br>
> <br>
> For me, I read this as a fast movement because it is a series of <br>
> facial expression symbols linked together...notice how the facial <br>
> circles are overlapping each other...I think that gives the
"feeling" <br>
> that a word or sound is being written on the lips, and therefore one <br>
> would assume, that it would be fairly quick, since to make the sound <br>
> or word on the lips, it would have to be quick...so I guess the speed <br>
> is assumed...<br>
> <br>
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