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Charles,<br>
I think you're dealing with two different issues here. On the one
hand, a standard needs to be applied to writing used as a communication
tool. On the other, for linguistic study it has been said on this list
to transcribe what you see.<br>
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Since communication is both receptive and expressive, a standard has to
be set and the expressive was chosen as the best standard for everyday
writing. I'm sure some could argued that receptive would be better.
But then, how would you transcribe signs you make yourself? You'd
have to mirror-image it if you would be true to the concept of
transcribing what you see. But you don't, because you are aware of
what you are saying and it can even be written without going through
the mechanism of actually making the sign. And so, the expressive
viewpoint in writing may actually never be expressed by your hands.
Yet the sign is still written.<br>
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However, if you were doing a linguistic study, there is no expressive
viewpoint. It's all receptive. It isn't until you try to turn what is
learned from the study into a communication medium that you have to
deal with expression. Then it comes full circle to needing to decide
on standards. <br>
<br>
Remember, many years ago you argued against me - when I first joined
this list - for putting forth the possibility of writing the palm
portion of hands as ovals instead of squares, as you said that it had
been already standardized as squares.<br>
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Everyday writing as a communication medium has already been
standardized on the expressive viewpoint. ;-)<br>
<br>
Bill<br>
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Gerard Meijssen wrote:
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type="cite">Hoi,<br>
Indeed it is relatively easy to reverse what you see. However,
SignWriting is a script and it works only when everyone reads it in the
same way.<br>
Thanks,<br>
GerardM<br>
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valign="top">Looking at videos makes me ponder why we don't teach both
projective and receptive sign writing. Looking at a video and then the
sign writing next to it, they don't match, they are reverse images of
each other and it drives one crazy to stop, put it on one's own hands,
and put the facing image there. Trying to compare them is apples to
oranges.
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<div>Sign writing is 3-dimensional, and when I was taught it,
you literally wrote what you saw. Your right hand is your right hand,
a photo's right hand is to your left. </div>
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<div>With all of SW in a computer program, it could be made
to reverse everything relatively easily. </div>
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--- On <b>Wed, 9/16/09, Valerie Sutton <i><<a
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Subject: Re: [sw-l] invisible person in ASL storytelling...<br>
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Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 6:06 PM<br>
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September 16, 2009<br>
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Hi Jonita.<br>
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Rather than writing a second imaginary person (which has only been
"implied" on the video, but is not really there)...just write how the
signer tried to explain that imaginary person..These are complex videos
to transcribe and I admire your courage!<br>
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Write exactly what you think you see the signer do...but don't worry
about the meaning of the "imaginary person"...<br>
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Please see attached... In this writing I showed that the signer is
facing the corner, and he brushes his own tongue, and then pretends to
brush another person's tongue in "the middle of the air"...The tension
symbol helps give the feeling of the movement...<br>
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