<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">It technically isn't an ASL 3, as the fingers are bent forward, but I can see why Jorge would write it like that because it kind of feels like that when signing it. But when watching how Jorge signed it, I can tell you that it isn't an exact ASL 3. As for a spread G, I really don't know what that is.<div><br></div><div>I would also like to have someone who is a LGP signer say which, but I would suspect that it will be a while before we see something from that side of the world as it is almost 1 in the morning there.</div><div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Nov 2, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I'd like to know from the a Portuguese which hand shape it is. Is it an ASL 3, or a spread G?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Charles<br><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Stefan Wöhrmann <<a href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>SignWriting List <<a href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mon, November 2, 2009 6:24:28 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>AW: [sw-l] How to write these Portuguese Colors<br></font><br><div class="Section1" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Well – looking at the video several times I would write this sign this way –</span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font></p><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Stefan ;-)</span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; text-align: center; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><hr tabindex="-1" align="center" size="2" width="100%"></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold; ">Von:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Im Auftrag von<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Charles Butler<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Gesendet:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Dienstag, 3. November 2009 00:02<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">An:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>SignWriting List<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Betreff:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [sw-l] How to write these Portuguese Colors</span></font></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">I just looked at Adam's video and his thumb strokes his forehead. One can't do that without the palm facing the face. That's why I changed the handshape. I had to dig to find the hand where the thumb is in front of the two spread fingers.<br><br>Charles</span></font></p></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; text-align: center; "><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><hr align="center" size="1" width="100%"></span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>SignWriting <<a href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">signwriting@mac.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>SignWriting List <<a href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Cc:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jorge Rodrigues <<a href="mailto:jorgerodriguesurdo@sapo.pt" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">jorgerodriguesurdo@sapo.pt</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mon, November 2, 2009 5:36:08 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [sw-l] How to write these Portuguese Colors<br></span></font><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "><br>SignWriting List<br>November 2, 2009<br><br>On Nov 2, 2009, at 1:53 PM, Jorge Rodrigues wrote:<br>> "gray"<br><span>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=33&sid=97&search=cinzento&type=any" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=33&sid=97&search=cinzento&type=any</a></span><br><br>Hello Jorge!<br><br>Excellent!<br><br>This is the way you wrote the sign for CINZENTO, or GREY...very nicely written!<br><br><br><br><br>You wrote this with your palm of your hand toward your face.<br><br>In Adam's video of the sign, his palm was not toward his face, but was facing the floor...which is more correct? smile...<br><br>Val ;-)<br><br><br></span></font></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br><a href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br><br>List Archives and Help<br><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</a><br><br>Change Email Settings<br><a href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l</a></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>