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See below links to some of the articles translated into English by
Google Translate.<br>
<br>
Fernando Capovilla wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:7867d11c0911061013x17d42e51pa285a2eb214df214@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div>Dear Erika:</div>
<div>
<div>I have written extensively (unfortunately most papers and books
are in Portuguese, including Volume 8 of my Brazilian Sign Language
Encyclopedia) on the need for a cheremic writing system (such as
Sutton's SignWriting) for sign languages in order to allow deaf
children to enjoy conditions similar to those of the hearing. For
hearing children the alphabetical writing (English orthography) maps
their oral-aural language (Spoken English). Upon literacy acquisition
in an alphabetical writing system (such as the Portuguese orthography),
hearing children become able to map the visemic-lalemic-phonemic
properties of their spoken Portuguese. By the same token, upon learning
to read and write signs in SW, deaf children become able to map
the cheremic-visual properties of their sign language (e.g., Libras).
At the Cognitive Neuropsycholinguistic Lab of the U. of Sao Paulo, over
the last 20 years, I have conducted a vast number of experiments on
deaf language and deaf cognition pertaining visemic processing, lalemic
processing, sign processing, reading acquisition, spelling acquisition,
memory development, lexical development, etc, that give strong support
to the use of SW in deaf education.</div>
<div>In case you read Portuguese, perhaps you may be interested in
consulting some of the links below. In case you do not read Portuguese,
a number of abstracts are provided. They give you access to vast
segments of the Encyclopedia volume 8, and the Dictionary volumes 1 and
2, which discuss deaf cognition and deaf language development and
processing. SW is one of the many topics that are examined in those
volumes. You may also find much help in volumes 4, 3, 2, 1 (they may
also be consulted via Internet - at least vast parts of them). In
addition to that, my Libras Dictionary (volumes 1 and 2 bring 3
chapters devoted to discussing SW and its importance). You may also
have access to those volumes (or parts of them) via Internet. See
reference and links below</div>
<div>Capovilla, F. C., and W. D. Raphael, eds. 2001. <i>Dicionário
enciclopédico ilustrado trilíngue da Língua de Sinais Brasileira: Vols.
1 (Sinais de A a L) & 2 (Sinais de M a Z)</i>. [Trilingual
illustrated encyclopedic dictionary of Brazilian Sign Language, Vols. 1
and 2] São Paulo: Edusp, FAPESP, Fundação Vitae, Feneis, Brasil
Telecom. Volume One: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="internal mw-magiclink-isbn"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/8531406005">ISBN
85-314-0600-5</a> Volume Two: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="internal mw-magiclink-isbn"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/853140603X">ISBN
85-314-0603-X</a> </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Sincerely,</div>
<div>Fernando Capovilla, PhD</div>
<div>Psychology Professor</div>
<div>University of Sao Paulo</div>
<div> </div>
<div>(the first half of volume 8 depicts signs along with their SW
renditions; the second part of volume 8 brings a 400-500 chapter
devoted to deaf cognitive processing theory and deaf labguage
assessment tools and data)</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Encyclopedia vol 8</div>
<div> </div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://books.google.com.br/books?id=HV77emkREiUC&pg=PA777&lpg=PA777&dq=capovilla+enciclopedia+libras+vol.+8&source=bl&ots=zlaw9NU9Bf&sig=hGQTiuoZcG-FxDIdRSkZCxXjhOU&hl=pt-BR&ei=LGD0SsGAD8Go8AaXmpHzCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CBwQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=&f=false">http://books.google.com.br/books?id=HV77emkREiUC&pg=PA777&lpg=PA777&dq=capovilla+enciclopedia+libras+vol.+8&source=bl&ots=zlaw9NU9Bf&sig=hGQTiuoZcG-FxDIdRSkZCxXjhOU&hl=pt-BR&ei=LGD0SsGAD8Go8AaXmpHzCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CBwQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=&f=false</a></div>
<div> </div>
<div>Dictionary </div>
<div> </div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://books.google.com.br/books?id=25zeGebRhNcC&pg=PA1557&lpg=PA1557&dq=capovilla+libras&source=bl&ots=5IrqhsOraW&sig=ec-oAHQt6eWXeH8Ziri7jz8I-Zg&hl=pt-BR&ei=OmP0StagIo_Q8QaDz7jzCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CB8Q6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=capovilla%20libras&f=false">http://books.google.com.br/books?id=25zeGebRhNcC&pg=PA1557&lpg=PA1557&dq=capovilla+libras&source=bl&ots=5IrqhsOraW&sig=ec-oAHQt6eWXeH8Ziri7jz8I-Zg&hl=pt-BR&ei=OmP0StagIo_Q8QaDz7jzCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CB8Q6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=capovilla%20libras&f=false</a></div>
<div> </div>
</div>
</blockquote>
Here are the same links translated by Google translate to English<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:7867d11c0911061013x17d42e51pa285a2eb214df214@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div>
<div>some papers</div>
<div> </div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ojs.c3sl.ufpr.br/ojs2/index.php/psicologia/article/view/3252">http://ojs.c3sl.ufpr.br/ojs2/index.php/psicologia/article/view/3252</a><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://translate.google.hn/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fojs.c3sl.ufpr.br%2Fojs2%2Findex.php%2Fpsicologia%2Farticle%2Fdownload%2F3252%2F2612"></a><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://translate.google.hn/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fojs.c3sl.ufpr.br%2Fojs2%2Findex.php%2Fpsicologia%2Farticle%2Fdownload%2F3252%2F2612"></a></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote
cite="mid:7867d11c0911061013x17d42e51pa285a2eb214df214@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1298027">http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1298027</a></div>
<div> </div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.scielo.br/pdf/rbee/v12n2/a05v12n2.pdf">http://www.scielo.br/pdf/rbee/v12n2/a05v12n2.pdf</a></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<small><a
href="http://translate.google.hn/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scielo.br%2Fpdf%2Frbee%2Fv12n2%2Fa05v12n2.pdf"><span
style="" onmouseover="_tipon(this)" onmouseout="_tipoff()"><b>WHEN
DEAF STUDENTS CHOOSE WORDS WRITTEN TO NOMINATE ...</b></span></a></small><br>
<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:7867d11c0911061013x17d42e51pa285a2eb214df214@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div>
<div> </div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ojs.c3sl.ufpr.br/ojs2/index.php/psicologia/article/viewFile/3252/2612">http://ojs.c3sl.ufpr.br/ojs2/index.php/psicologia/article/viewFile/3252/2612</a></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<a
href="http://translate.google.hn/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fredalyc.uaemex.mx%2Fredalyc%2Fpdf%2F261%2F26110103.pdf"><span
style="" onmouseover="_tipon(this)" onmouseout="_tipoff()"><nobr></nobr></span><span
style="" onmouseover="_tipon(this)" onmouseout="_tipoff()"></span></a><span
style="" onmouseover="_tipon(this)" onmouseout="_tipoff()"><nobr></nobr></span>
<div style="position: absolute; top: 712px; left: 300px;"> <span
style="" onmouseover="_tipon(this)" onmouseout="_tipoff()"><span
class="google-src-text" style="direction: ltr; text-align: left;"><nobr></nobr></span><nobr></nobr></span>
</div>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://translate.google.hn/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fojs.c3sl.ufpr.br%2Fojs2%2Findex.php%2Fpsicologia%2Farticle%2Fdownload%2F3252%2F2612"><span
style="" onmouseover="_tipon(this)" onmouseout="_tipoff()"><b>Assessing
Understanding of Sign in Libras</b></span></a>
<blockquote
cite="mid:7867d11c0911061013x17d42e51pa285a2eb214df214@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://translate.google.hn/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fojs.c3sl.ufpr.br%2Fojs2%2Findex.php%2Fpsicologia%2Farticle%2Fdownload%2F3252%2F2612"><span
style="" onmouseover="_tipon(this)" onmouseout="_tipoff()"><b></b></span></a><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://translate.google.hn/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fojs.c3sl.ufpr.br%2Fojs2%2Findex.php%2Fpsicologia%2Farticle%2Fdownload%2F3252%2F2612">
</a></div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://redalyc.uaemex.mx/redalyc/pdf/261/26110103.pdf">http://redalyc.uaemex.mx/redalyc/pdf/261/26110103.pdf</a></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<small><b><a
href="http://translate.google.hn/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fredalyc.uaemex.mx%2Fredalyc%2Fpdf%2F261%2F26110103.pdf"><span
style="" onmouseover="_tipon(this)" onmouseout="_tipoff()"><nobr>PROCEDURES
logographic, alphabetical and lexical IN READING </nobr></span><span
style="" onmouseover="_tipon(this)" onmouseout="_tipoff()">SILENT FOR
DEAF AND LISTENERS</span></a></b></small>
<blockquote
cite="mid:7867d11c0911061013x17d42e51pa285a2eb214df214@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div>
<div> </div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S1413-65382006000200005&script=sci_arttext">http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S1413-65382006000200005&script=sci_arttext</a></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<small><small><a
href="http://translate.google.hn/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scielo.br%2Fscielo.php%3Fpid%3DS1413-65382006000200005%26script%3Dsci_arttext"><span
style="" onmouseover="_tipon(this)" onmouseout="_tipoff()"><b><font
face="verdana" size="4"><small><small>When deaf students choose words
written to name figures: paralexias orthographic, semantic and Quireme</small></small></font></b></span></a></small></small>
<blockquote
cite="mid:7867d11c0911061013x17d42e51pa285a2eb214df214@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div>
<div> </div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S1413-294X2005000100003&script=sci_arttext&tlng=en">http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S1413-294X2005000100003&script=sci_arttext&tlng=en</a></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<small><small><a
href="http://translate.google.hn/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scielo.br%2Fscielo.php%3Fpid%3DS1413-294X2005000100003%26script%3Dsci_arttext%26tlng%3Den"><span
style="" onmouseover="_tipon(this)" onmouseout="_tipoff()"><font
face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="4"><small><small><b>Processes
logographic, alphabetic and lexical in silent reading by deaf and
hearing</b></small></small></font></span></a></small></small>
<blockquote
cite="mid:7867d11c0911061013x17d42e51pa285a2eb214df214@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div>
<div><small><small> </small></small></div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://observatorio.inep.gov.br/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=35">http://observatorio.inep.gov.br/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=35</a></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<a
href="http://translate.google.hn/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fobservatorio.inep.gov.br%2Findex2.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26do_pdf%3D1%26id%3D35"><span
style="" onmouseover="_tipon(this)" onmouseout="_tipoff()"><nobr>Analysis
of the performance differential of children under the regime of
inclusion in the Test In Braziil Long Distance</nobr></span></a>
<div style="position: absolute; top: 249px; left: 43px;"> <span
onmouseover="_tipon(this)" onmouseout="_tipoff()"><span
class="google-src-text" style="direction: ltr; text-align: left;"><nobr></nobr></span><nobr></nobr></span>
</div>
<blockquote
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type="cite">
<div>
<div> </div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.mackenzie.br/fileadmin/Editora/Revista_Psicologia/Teoria_e_Pratica_Volume_6_-_Numero_2/v6n2_art1.pdf">http://www.mackenzie.br/fileadmin/Editora/Revista_Psicologia/Teoria_e_Pratica_Volume_6_-_Numero_2/v6n2_art1.pdf</a></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<a
href="http://translate.google.hn/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mackenzie.br%2Ffileadmin%2FEditora%2FRevista_Psicologia%2FTeoria_e_Pratica_Volume_6_-_Numero_2%2Fv6n2_art1.pdf"><span
style="" onmouseover="_tipon(this)" onmouseout="_tipoff()"><b>Cognitive
abilities that predict </b></span><span style=""
onmouseover="_tipon(this)" onmouseout="_tipoff()"><b>competence in
reading and writing</b></span></a>
<blockquote
cite="mid:7867d11c0911061013x17d42e51pa285a2eb214df214@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div>
<div> </div>
<div>in case you may be interested in acquiring via Internet from
several bookstores </div>
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<div>vol 1</div>
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<div>dictionary</div>
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:40:22 -0500<br>
Subject: [sw-l] common criticisms of signwriting?<br>
Hi! I mentioned the last time I posted that I'm working on a paper<br>
about SignWriting for presentation at the American Anthropological<br>
Association meeting in December.<br>
One of the things I'm thinking about is the ways in which Signwriting<br>
and Signwriten documents can be used to critique dominant ideologies<br>
about language and writing that are common in Linguistics and related<br>
disciplines. At the same time, I want to note that the radical nature<br>
of the script can sometimes be a social barrier to its adoption by<br>
signers (particularly because of the historical relationship between<br>
the Linguistic validation of sign languages with the social validation<br>
of Deaf signers).<br>
I'm wondering if any of you would be willing to share some of the ways<br>
you've heard people criticize or dismiss SSW (or point me to places<br>
where these opinions are aired). I'm looking for people's concerns<br>
about the script itself (i.e., "it looks like hieroglyphics") rather<br>
than the other common arguments about the need for a script at all<br>
(i.e., "Deaf people can just write in English").<br>
Thanks!<br>
Best,<br>
Erika<br>
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:50:57 -0800<br>
Subject: Re: [sw-l] common criticisms of signwriting?<br>
SignWriting List<br>
November 5, 2009<br>
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Hello Erika!<br>
Thanks for this question. The controversial nature of all new ideas can
be puzzling sometimes, but I think it is a part of human nature to be
skeptical of anything we do not have familiarity with...<br>
<br>
I actually do not think that comments from people who do not know
SignWriting should cause too much concern...it is only natural that
certain reactions happen...like "it looks like Chinese"....<br>
<br>
You are right that people do say that it looks like hieroglyphics...but
i see that as a positive thing, although I try to explain why it is not
hieroglyphics from a technical point of view and most of them
immediately say that they didn't realize that SignWriting wrote body
movement...most people compare it to Chinese very fast, but that is
only because it is written down in vertical columns and because they
see visual clusters of symbols in both writing systems, but when I
point out that SignWriting is not writing concepts, but instead we are
writing body parts moving in space, and the people who know each sign
language have to attach to those movements, the meanings that go with
them in their specific language, where in Chinese a person who speaks a
rare dialect far away, can still write concepts in Chinese, and there
is no connection in their writing, to how they pronounce their
words...therefore SignWriting is alphabetical and not logographic...but
all that conversation is too complex for most people...most people say
something like it looks like Chinese or heiroglyphics only in
passing...but as soon as they sit down for five minutes and learn the
dark and light palm facing and a few movement symbols, they realize it
is different...<br>
<br>
I am printing books on my home computer right now...the first 7
chapters of the Gospel According to John in ASL are being printed and
bound with laminated covers...I am doing them all myself in two
sizes...big book size and a half-size that is more like the size of
Bibles, and I am sending copies to the Vatican for a conference on
November 19th. I have already sent copies to Malta to Marie and Maria
to take with them to the Vatican for the conference. Once I am done
printing, I will be happy to send a few of you some copies of the book.
It will also be available for download and for sale shortly on the web
and I will announce this when it is ready -<br>
<br>
Hope others will answer Erika's question -<br>
<br>
Thank you Erika!<br>
<br>
Val ;-)<br>
<br>
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class="gmail_quote">Hi! I mentioned the last time I posted that I'm
working on a paper<br>
about SignWriting for presentation at the American Anthropological<br>
Association meeting in December.<br>
One of the things I'm thinking about is the ways in which Signwriting<br>
and Signwriten documents can be used to critique dominant ideologies<br>
about language and writing that are common in Linguistics and related<br>
disciplines. At the same time, I want to note that the radical nature<br>
of the script can sometimes be a social barrier to its adoption by<br>
signers (particularly because of the historical relationship between<br>
the Linguistic validation of sign languages with the social validation<br>
of Deaf signers).<br>
I'm wondering if any of you would be willing to share some of the ways<br>
you've heard people criticize or dismiss SSW (or point me to places<br>
where these opinions are aired). I'm looking for people's concerns<br>
about the script itself (i.e., "it looks like hieroglyphics") rather<br>
than the other common arguments about the need for a script at all<br>
(i.e., "Deaf people can just write in English").<br>
Thanks!<br>
Best,<br>
Erika<br>
<br>
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:20:08 -0800 (PST)<br>
Subject: Re: [sw-l] common criticisms of signwriting?<br>
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<div>One I've seen pretty often, although I don't know if its the
kind you want, is that "You can't write my language." I think its a
point of pride that ASL is so different that there is no way you could
possibly reduce it to symbols on paper... Of course that is easily
proven wrong.<br>
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cherie<br>
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Hi! I mentioned the last time I posted that I'm working on a paper<br>
about SignWriting for presentation at the American Anthropological<br>
Association meeting in December.<br>
One of the things I'm thinking about is the ways in which Signwriting<br>
and Signwriten documents can be used to critique dominant ideologies<br>
about language and writing that are common in Linguistics and related<br>
disciplines. At the same time, I want to note that the radical nature<br>
of the script can sometimes be a social barrier to its adoption by<br>
signers (particularly because of the historical relationship between<br>
the Linguistic validation of sign languages with the social validation<br>
of Deaf signers).<br>
I'm wondering if any of you would be willing to share some of the ways<br>
you've heard people criticize or dismiss SSW (or point me to places<br>
where these opinions are aired). I'm looking for people's concerns<br>
about the script itself (i.e., "it looks like hieroglyphics") rather<br>
than the other common arguments about the need for a script at all<br>
(i.e., "Deaf people can just write in English").<br>
Thanks!<br>
Best,<br>
Erika<br>
<br>
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:55:19 +0000<br>
Subject: Re: [sw-l] common criticisms of signwriting?<br>
Interesting topic. One criticism that I've heard about SignWriting<br>
(from sign language interpreters) is that it is too ideograhic! They<br>
prefer either Stokoe or HamNoSys notations! Yet if you show a Deaf<br>
people something transcribed in Stokoe or HamNoSys and the reaction is<br>
utter confusion. This is exacerbated beacuse the BSL fingerspelling<br>
alphabet (I'm in the UK) is two-handed and completely different from<br>
the one-handed ASL alphabet that is used to label handshapes in<br>
Stokoe.<br>
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On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Erika Hoffmann <<a
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> Hi! I mentioned the last time I posted that I'm working on a paper<br>
> about SignWriting for presentation at the American Anthropological<br>
> Association meeting in December.<br>
> One of the things I'm thinking about is the ways in which
Signwriting<br>
> and Signwriten documents can be used to critique dominant
ideologies<br>
> about language and writing that are common in Linguistics and
related<br>
> disciplines. At the same time, I want to note that the radical
nature<br>
> of the script can sometimes be a social barrier to its adoption by<br>
> signers (particularly because of the historical relationship
between<br>
> the Linguistic validation of sign languages with the social
validation<br>
> of Deaf signers).<br>
> I'm wondering if any of you would be willing to share some of the
ways<br>
> you've heard people criticize or dismiss SSW (or point me to places<br>
> where these opinions are aired). I'm looking for people's concerns<br>
> about the script itself (i.e., "it looks like hieroglyphics")
rather<br>
> than the other common arguments about the need for a script at all<br>
> (i.e., "Deaf people can just write in English").<br>
> Thanks!<br>
> Best,<br>
> Erika<br>
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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:19:34 -0600<br>
Subject: Re: [sw-l] common criticisms of signwriting?<br>
Hi Erika,<br>
<br>
There are rational criticisms of SignWriting. Here are the top three
as I see it.<br>
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1) Too much noise for too little signal. Some say that SignWriting
includes extraneous details that are not needed. The extra details
inflates the visual size of the script and interferes with reading and
writing. Some say that SignWriting does not record the meaningful
streams of sign language directly, but that the meaningful parts are
absent and must be inferred from the writing.<br>
<br>
<br>
2) SignWriting is hard to write by hand and requires special software
for computers.<br>
<br>
<br>
3) SignWriting is too varied and has too much flexibility. The number
of potential signs is infinite. There are too many potential spellings
for the same sign. <br>
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Most other criticisms are based on ignorance.<br>
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-Steve<br>
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