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src="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/symbol.php?sss=04-02-002-02-01-01&color=999999&size=.7"></td></tr><tr><td align="middle"><img src="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/symbol.php?sss=02-09-001-02-01-02&color=999999&size=.7"></td></tr><tr><td align="middle"><img src="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/symbol.php?sss=01-05-001-01-03-09&color=999999&size=.7"></td></tr><tr><td align="middle"><img src="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/symbol.php?sss=04-02-002-02-01-05&color=999999&size=.7"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table><font size="-1">Sign: <a href="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/spreader.html?bsw=0080df04f8e6f8985910f8e5f8c36964f8d2f8b92212f8e2f9311cc8f8e7f8f1ad21f8cbf8f4e6e0f8f1f90f5fe0f8eff8df1ce8f8c0f907e6e4f8d2f920">Reader</a></font><br><br>Charles<br><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family:
times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> SignWriting List <sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Mon, November 16, 2009 9:52:37 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> AW: [sw-l] Understanding a sign<br></font><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;" lang="EN-GB">This time without the
typo – smile.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;" lang="EN-GB">Stefan ;-)</span></font></p>
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[mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Im Auftrag von </span></b>Charles Butler<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Gesendet:</span></b> Montag, 16. November
2009 14:45<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Betreff:</span></b> Re: [sw-l] Understanding
a sign</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Hmm. I don't know the sign in production, but at least one
variant I have seen (look at mine with the bird and full sweep from Signing
Savvy) actually does move forward and back. I should have a change in
palm facing but I'm away from the editor. </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I have not seen the sign in Cecilia Flood's sign in video, so I'm not
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.signingsavvy.com/sign/PEACOCK">http://www.signingsavvy.com/sign/PEACOCK</a></span></span></font></p>
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<p><b><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-weight: bold;">peacock</span></font></b></p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Sign: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/spreader.html?bsw=0080df04f8e7f8995910f8e6f8c46964f8d3f8ba2212f8e3f9321ce8f8e8f8f2ad21f8ccf901e6e0f8f5f9105fe0f8f0f8e0"><span style="text-decoration: none;">Reader</span></a><br>
Source: SigningSavvy; <a target="_blank" href="http://commtechlab.msu.edu/sites/aslweb">commtechlab.msu.edu/sites/aslweb</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> Ingvild Roald
<iroald@hotmail.com><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Mon, November 16, 2009
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [sw-l] Understanding
a sign<br>
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Exept, of course, that Adam's is so easily readable that if you know it is
supposed to be the sign for 'peacock', you may not even notice that the arrow
is written single-stemmed when it should have been double-stemmed - sorry all<br>
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Ingvild <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">From: iroald@hotmail.com<br>
To: sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br>
Subject: RE: [sw-l] Understanding a sign<br>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:08:12 +0100<br>
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Agreed - Adam's is easy to read, while you would have to think for a while (and
change the palm facing) to read the original one<br>
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Ingvild <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">From:
kjoanne403@signwriting.org<br>
To: sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br>
Subject: Re: [sw-l] Understanding a sign<br>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:20:59 -0700</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Not doable at all, as far as I can see... the palm facing of
the fist is just wrong. But I prefer Adam's writing, myself.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Sunday, November
15, 2009 3:14 PM</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Re: [sw-l]
Understanding a sign</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Now that is clear.
I guess we need that variant in the SignPuddle now as the first one is simply
not easily doable.<br>
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Charles</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> Adam Frost <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>><br>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sun, November 15, 2009
5:03:54 PM<br>
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<span class="ecxecxapple-style-span">I would write it like this.</span> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On Nov 15, 2009, at 1:58 PM, Charles Butler wrote:</span></font></p>
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I'm trying to understand this sign. I'm not sure where the surfaces are;
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