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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00 size=6 face=Arial>Hi Stefan, Cherie, Val and
everyone,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00 size=6 face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00 size=6 face=Arial> Cherie,
thank you for your comment regarding the time-dependent factor (timing
issue).</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00 size=6 face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00 size=6 face=Arial> Stefan, I
am happy that you told me that this does not make sense!</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00 size=6 face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00 size=6 face=Arial> First, I
discuss about a horizontal line of English written from left to right. Second, I
show how to compare between vertical and horizontal fingerspelling and compound
sign of the SW. Third, I discuss about a sign name J
D.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00 size=6 face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00 size=6 face=Arial> Firstly,
someone writing English knows how to write it horizontally from left to right
because this is writing standard English. See the attached “English”. You
will notice that there is a way to write English and there is a way not to write
English. Why is there a way not to write English? Because the eyes
continue to move horizontally from left to right, but they have to stop and then
move vertically from top-down. Then they are back to move horizontally from left
to right. The readers are not pleased to alternatively read horizontal and
vertical lines.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00 size=6 face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00 size=6 face=Arial> Secondly,
you don’t understand my idea, what is this? I focus on fingerspelling
(city, sign name and name) and compound sign. If you use a Sign Text in
the SignPuddle™, the Sign Text is written in the vertical columns. See the
attached “horizontal fingerspelling and compound sign”. You will notice
that the horizontal fingerspelling is ‘André Thibeault’, and the horizontal
compound sign is ‘deafblind’. Your eye movement continues reading vertically
from top-down. It stops at the fingerspelling and moves from left to right.
Then, it moves down again. It stops at the compound sign and moves from left to
right. See the attached “h-English” to compare to the attached “horizontal
fingerspelling and compound sign”.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00 size=6 face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00 size=6 face=Arial> Using the
Sign Text in vertical columns. See the attached “vertical
fingerspelling and compound sign”. You will notice that the vertical
fingerspelling is ‘André Thibeault’, and the vertical compound sign is
‘deafblind’. Your eye movement continues reading vertically from top-down.
See the attached “v-English” to compare to the attached “vertical fingerspelling
and compound sign”. I hope that you will understand my
idea.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00 size=6 face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00 size=6 face=Arial> Thirdly, I
discuss about the sign name J D. You mentioned that you prefer writing
horizontally first J and then D. If you write horizontally a SW from left
to right in horizontal lanes (columns), your eyes can smoothly read a horizontal
sign name such as “J D”. This should be standard spelling. If you write
vertically the horizontal sign name J D in vertical columns, your eyes
alternatively move from top-down and then from left to right. This should
not be standard spelling. If someone writes vertically the vertical sign
name J D, your eyes can easily continue to read vertically. This should be
standard spelling.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00 size=6 face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00 size=6 face=Arial> Regarding
the multiple faces (mouthing of spoken language and facial expressions), someone
needs to study and do more research. For example, Cherie mentioned that it is
time-dependent.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00 size=6 face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00 size=6 face=Arial> Stefan, I
believe that you use horizontal (from left to right) multiple faces for a
mouthing in horizontal lanes. Reading horizontally, the eye movement should
be fluid, smooth and unconstrained. But, I do not know if horizontal
multiple faces for a mouthing of spoken language can be read
effectively in vertical columns. I did write a few vertical and
horizontal multiple faces for a mouthing of French language in my LSQ
document (in vertical columns). I need to learn a GebeardenSchift .
I can’t understand the German language.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00 size=6 face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00 size=6 face=Arial> Best
regards,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00 size=6 face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00 size=6 face=Arial>
André</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<A title=cwterp@yahoo.com href="mailto:cwterp@yahoo.com">Cherie Wren</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 04, 2009 6:25
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [sw-l]faces vertical or
horizontal.</DIV>
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<DIV>I remember some discussions of this when I was writing Cat in the
Hat. Some faces I wrote vertically, because certain points of the face
had to match certain points in the signing, but sometimes it was mouthing that
went with the sign, and I wrote that horizontally. It was a timing
issue, mostly, If I recall correctly. Like the vertical spelling of
Charles someone recently wrote in... the timing of the head nod has to
match the timing of the spelling just so. I'll have to see if I can find
that conversation again. To me, horizontal feels like 'all at
once' and vertical feels sequential.<BR><BR>cherie<BR>Georgia School for
the Deaf<BR></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> SignWriting
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<sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thu, December 3, 2009 10:14:24
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [sw-l] Print
SignWriting Greeting Cards<BR></FONT><BR>SignWriting List<BR>December 3,
2009<BR><BR>Hello Everyone!<BR>I have not been following this conversation
completely, I do apologize for that....We have had an increase in book orders,
and I have been fulfilling those orders, sending books on SignWriting around
the world...very nice to have more orders right before
Christmas...<BR><BR>Regarding the direction of writing in
SignWriting...everyone is welcome to write as it seems best for them...We all
have our reasons to write one direction or the other, and all directions of
writing signs, is better than no writing of signs...so I suggest that we write
as it seems best to us, and over time, standards will
develop...<BR><BR><BR>And yes, Stefan, your documents and dictionaries are
amazing! Thank you for all the writing you are doing in SignPuddle. Your
dictionary has over 10,000 signs!!<BR><BR>German SignPuddles<BR><SPAN><A
href="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/index.html#sgn-DE"
target=_blank>http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/index.html#sgn-DE</A></SPAN><BR><BR><BR>And
thank you, Andre, for the documents and dictionaries from French Canada...I
can see you have added a lot since I last looked:<BR><BR>French-Canadian
SignPuddles<BR><SPAN><A
href="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/index1.html#sgn-CA-fr"
target=_blank>http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/index1.html#sgn-CA-fr</A></SPAN><BR><BR><BR>It
is exciting to see how much is being accomplished everyday in
SignPuddle...people are adding thousands of signs in many
countries...<BR><BR><BR>Regarding rules of writing...people informed me that
they did not want rules, so that is ok...no need to change the way you all are
writing...<BR><BR>So I am just writing my particular style and trying to
explain the rules that guide my own personal writing, and then others can
choose what they feel is best...<BR><BR>Because I write vertically with lanes,
i also write fingerspelling vertically. When it comes to writing multiple
facial expressions, that is an interesting question...sometimes I write them
horiztonally and sometimes vertically...but now I will really think about this
and see what feels natural next time I write a document...<BR><BR>So thank
you, to everyone, for your input and I plan to read more of your messages
later this month, as soon as the Christmas rush has died down...I hope you are
enjoying your December...<BR><BR>Val
;-)<BR><BR>-----------<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On Dec 3, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Stefan
Wöhrmann wrote:<BR>> HI André<BR>> I do not understand your idea. Your
attached documents –hmm what is this? This does not make sense!
There are so many well written SW-documents in the German SignPuddle if you
are interested to read German Sign Language written in GebaerdenSchrift.
Your documents do not show GebaerdenSchrift. ..hm....So many other projects on
my todo list. I have to focus on other things ...<BR>> Stefan
;-)<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----------------------<BR><BR>On Dec 3, 2009, at 9:57 AM,
Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:<BR><BR>> Hallo Stefan and everyone,<BR>>
<BR>> Who is the reader?<BR>> <BR>> I
assume that the reader reads and writes a SW in vertical coloumns because Val
already mentioned that Deaf people requested writing in vertical
coloumns.<BR>> <BR>> What are spelling standards and
spelling rule violations?<BR>> <BR>> Stefan, You have a
good question.<BR>> <BR>> You will see the attached "read
horizontally" and "read vertically" for fingerspelling names and compound
signs. In addition, you will see the attached "horizontal
Gebradeschreft" and "vertical Gebradeschrefts" for a speech.<BR>>
<BR>> Sw-list friends, What do you think about spelling
standards and rule violations?<BR>> <BR>> Best
regards,<BR>> <BR>>
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