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In Norwegian SL, the verbs are not used to tell when something was done, but rather how it was done, who/ what did it, to whom/ what it was done, etc. Time is usually put first in the sentence/ utterance, if it is imortant. Then it is something like a topic. If teh utterance is a long one, and the time is of importance, it may be repated at the end and even in the middle of the sentence. If time is of less importance, then the time sign (like 'yesterday' or 'before' or 'in the future') will be be placed after the topic is presented. <br><br>Exeptions to this rule is the 'finished' or 'already', which makes a gramatical perfect tense. Also, a future marker, telling of an intension, may be placed differnetly. So we could get<br><br>"NOW EAT YOU?" = will you eat now?, <br>"EAT FINNISH YOU?" = have you eaten?, <br>"MOTHER TOMORROW SKI WILL-WILL" = Mother has decided that tomorrow, she will go skiing, <br>"MOTHER, SKI-left, SKI-straight, SKI-right, SKI SKI" = Mother, she is skiing a lot, in different directions, skiing a lot<br>"YESTERDAY CINEMA YOU-I" = the two of us went to the cinema yesterday, <br>"LAST-YEAR HOLLIDAY LONDON I" = last year, I went to London for my holliday, <br><br>etc etc .....<br><br>(if I got it right - my appologies if this is incorrect ...)<br><br>Ingvild
<br><br><br><br>> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 22:20:40 +0000<br>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] question for the way to express 'made'<br>> From: bslwannabe@gmail.com<br>> To: sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br>> <br>> Hi Shane,<br>> <br>> Interesting. I'd put that BSL time marker earlier. Something like<br>> <br>> PAST FOOD COOK (hold with aspect) FINISHED.<br>> <br>> <br>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Shane Gilchrist<br>> <shane.gilchrist.oheorpa@gmail.com> wrote:<br>> > Dear Gan,<br>> ><br>> > we dont really have past tenses in the same sense as the English<br>> > language - for instance, in BSL (using glosses - sorry!)<br>> ><br>> > I made food:<br>> ><br>> > - FOOD COOK^nodding<br>> > - FOOD COOK PAST<br>> > - FOOD COOK FINISHED!<br>> ><br>> > non-manual features are very important here.<br>> ><br>> > Shane<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > 2010/1/6 Gan Lu <glu@uclan.ac.uk>:<br>> >> Hi Charles;<br>> >><br>> >> Thanks for the comment. So do you reckon the past tense is necessary here? And if we use "create". should it be 'Created' then?<br>> >><br>> >> Thanks<br>> >> Gan<br>> >><br>> >>>>> "Charles Butler" <chazzer3332000@yahoo.com> 06/01/10 1:54 PM >>><br>> >> Hmm. In context the sign, I would think would be either "make" or "create". The tense is carried by the situation.<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> create<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> ________________________________<br>> >> From: Gan Lu <glu@uclan.ac.uk><br>> >> To: sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br>> >> Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 8:05:15 AM<br>> >> Subject: [sw-l] question for the way to express 'made'<br>> >><br>> >> Dear Adam and Valerie;<br>> >><br>> >> I'm implementing the system now. While I have a question:<br>> >><br>> >> why can't we use an ASL gesture to express the meaning of 'made' on the first page of the 'Frosty the Snow Man', other than using the FingerSpellings to sign these four letters respectively?<br>> >><br>> >> I suppose the reason is because the word 'made' is a past tense, and there is no ASL for it.<br>> >><br>> >> The reason I'm asking is my intention is to implement the first page as a 4-by-4 output pattern, which are 16 sign-boxes in total includes those punctuations. So I'm looking for a way to squeeze the word 'made' into a box.<br>> >><br>> >> Thanks<br>> >> Gan<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> ____________________________________________<br>> >><br>> >> SW-L SignWriting List<br>> >><br>> >> Post Message<br>> >> SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br>> >><br>> >> List Archives and Help<br>> >> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<br>> >><br>> >> Change Email Settings<br>> >> http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> ____________________________________________<br>> >><br>> >> SW-L SignWriting List<br>> >><br>> >> Post Message<br>> >> SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br>> >><br>> >> List Archives and Help<br>> >> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<br>> >><br>> >> Change Email Settings<br>> >> http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l<br>> >><br>> >><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ____________________________________________<br>> ><br>> > SW-L SignWriting List<br>> ><br>> > Post Message<br>> > SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br>> ><br>> > List Archives and Help<br>> > http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<br>> ><br>> > Change Email Settings<br>> > http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l<br>> ><br>> ><br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> -- <br>> Regards, Trevor.<br>> <br>> <>< Re: deemed!<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ____________________________________________<br>> <br>> SW-L SignWriting List<br>> <br>> Post Message<br>> SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br>> <br>> List Archives and Help<br>> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<br>> <br>> Change Email Settings<br>> http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l<br>> <br> </body>
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