<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div>You may want to ask Professor Capovilla in Brazil about LIBRAS grammar rules.<br><br>Charles<br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Jonathan <duncanjonathan@yahoo.ca><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> SignWriting List <sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Fri, January 8, 2010 11:57:56 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [sw-l] Grammar rules<br></font><br>
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On 08/01/2010 2:59 AM, Sandy Fleming wrote:
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<pre>I would love to write some grammar rules for SignWriting BSL: that sort<br>of thing would help people to write with more confidence, I think, but I<br>don't really feel qualified.<br> </pre>
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Hi everybody,<br>
I am enjoying your posts very much. I feel the need to start
investigating more about Honduran Sign Language (LESHO) grammar. I
asked at the Deaf association and it seems that nobody has studied
LESHO grammar yet. When we get to writing full articles in LESHO it
will be important include the gramatical non-manual markers in the
writing too. Have any of you had any experience analyzing a sign
language whose grammatical rules haven't been published yet?<br>
<br>
Jonathan<br>
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<pre>Sandy<br><br>On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 22:20 +0000, Trevor Jenkins wrote:<br> </pre>
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<pre>Hi Shane,<br><br>Interesting. I'd put that BSL time marker earlier. Something like<br><br>PAST FOOD COOK (hold with aspect) FINISHED.<br><br><br>On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Shane Gilchrist<br><a rel="nofollow" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:shane.gilchrist.oheorpa@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:shane.gilchrist.oheorpa@gmail.com"><shane.gilchrist.oheorpa@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br> </pre>
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<pre>Dear Gan,<br><br>we dont really have past tenses in the same sense as the English<br>language - for instance, in BSL (using glosses - sorry!)<br><br>I made food:<br><br>- FOOD COOK^nodding<br>- FOOD COOK PAST<br>- FOOD COOK FINISHED!<br><br>non-manual features are very important here.<br><br>Shane<br><br><br>2010/1/6 Gan Lu <a rel="nofollow" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:glu@uclan.ac.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:glu@uclan.ac.uk"><glu@uclan.ac.uk></a>:<br> </pre>
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<pre>Hi Charles;<br><br> Thanks for the comment. So do you reckon the past tense is necessary here? And if we use "create". should it be 'Created' then?<br><br> Thanks<br> Gan<br><br> </pre>
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<pre>Hmm. In context the sign, I would think would be either "make" or "create". The tense is carried by the situation.<br><br><br>create<br><br><br><br><br><br>________________________________<br>From: Gan Lu <a rel="nofollow" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:glu@uclan.ac.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:glu@uclan.ac.uk"><glu@uclan.ac.uk></a>
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Subject: [sw-l] question for the way to express 'made'
Dear Adam and Valerie;
I'm implementing the system now. While I have a question:
why can't we use an ASL gesture to express the meaning of 'made' on the first page of the 'Frosty the Snow Man', other than using the FingerSpellings to sign these four letters respectively?
I suppose the reason is because the word 'made' is a past tense, and there is no ASL for it.
The reason I'm asking is my intention is to implement the first page as a 4-by-4 output pattern, which are 16 sign-boxes in total includes those punctuations. So I'm looking for a way to squeeze the word 'made' into a box.
Thanks
Gan
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