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On 08/01/2010 2:59 AM, Sandy Fleming wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I would love to write some grammar rules for SignWriting BSL: that sort
of thing would help people to write with more confidence, I think, but I
don't really feel qualified.
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Hi everybody,<br>
I am enjoying your posts very much. I feel the need to start
investigating more about Honduran Sign Language (LESHO) grammar. I
asked at the Deaf association and it seems that nobody has studied
LESHO grammar yet. When we get to writing full articles in LESHO it
will be important include the gramatical non-manual markers in the
writing too. Have any of you had any experience analyzing a sign
language whose grammatical rules haven't been published yet?<br>
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Jonathan<br>
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On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 22:20 +0000, Trevor Jenkins wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Hi Shane,
Interesting. I'd put that BSL time marker earlier. Something like
PAST FOOD COOK (hold with aspect) FINISHED.
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Shane Gilchrist
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<pre wrap="">Dear Gan,
we dont really have past tenses in the same sense as the English
language - for instance, in BSL (using glosses - sorry!)
I made food:
- FOOD COOK^nodding
- FOOD COOK PAST
- FOOD COOK FINISHED!
non-manual features are very important here.
Shane
2010/1/6 Gan Lu <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:glu@uclan.ac.uk"><glu@uclan.ac.uk></a>:
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<pre wrap="">Hi Charles;
Thanks for the comment. So do you reckon the past tense is necessary here? And if we use "create". should it be 'Created' then?
Thanks
Gan
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<pre wrap="">Hmm. In context the sign, I would think would be either "make" or "create". The tense is carried by the situation.
create
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To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>
Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 8:05:15 AM
Subject: [sw-l] question for the way to express 'made'
Dear Adam and Valerie;
I'm implementing the system now. While I have a question:
why can't we use an ASL gesture to express the meaning of 'made' on the first page of the 'Frosty the Snow Man', other than using the FingerSpellings to sign these four letters respectively?
I suppose the reason is because the word 'made' is a past tense, and there is no ASL for it.
The reason I'm asking is my intention is to implement the first page as a 4-by-4 output pattern, which are 16 sign-boxes in total includes those punctuations. So I'm looking for a way to squeeze the word 'made' into a box.
Thanks
Gan
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