<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div>At least for me, if you have a sign that requires multiple syllables to spell it out, such as two hands spiraling and then one landing on the other, you'd have to break it into syllables.  I'm thinking of something like "Jack and Jill falling down the hill".  I'd be likely to have the two hands roll first (as one sign) and then have the contact point as a separate sign rather than trying to merge them altogether.</div><div><br></div><div>However, something like "microwave" which has "box" + "magic" has both two hands drawing a box, and then opening up to five hands to go "poof" . That's two hands, opposite motions, and then a second set of spelling to cover the "poof".</div><div><br></div><div>I tried to finish the sign but for some reason I can't fathom I can't get back into the sign to

 edit it.  </div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: medium; border-collapse: collapse; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; "><table cellpadding="5" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top"><table cellpadding="5" border=""><tbody><tr><td><img src="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/image.php?build=01-01-001-01-06-01,141,49,01-01-001-01-06-09,113,48,02-03-010-02-01-03,150,87,02-03-010-02-02-11,94,87,01-05-001-01-02-02,149,132,01-05-001-01-02-10,100,130,"><p><b>microwave</b></p></td><td><p>electrical device for heating food.</p></td><td><table cellpadding="5" border="1"><tbody><tr><td align="middle"><img src="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/symbol.php?sss=01-01-001-01-06-01&color=999999&size=.7"></td></tr><tr><td align="middle"><img

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 href="http://www.signbank.org/swis/glyphogram.php?utf=%F1%80%82%80%F1%80%85%90%F1%8F%A4%8C%F1%8F%A2%B0%F1%80%85%98%F1%8F%A3%B0%F1%8F%A2%AF%F1%87%98%82%F1%8F%A4%95%F1%8F%A3%96%F1%87%98%9A%F1%8F%A3%9D%F1%8F%A3%96%F1%81%B3%91%F1%8F%A4%94%F1%8F%A4%83%F1%81%B3%99%F1%8F%A3%A3%F1%8F%A4%81%F1%80%82%81%F1%80%85%90%F1%80%85%98%F1%87%98%82%F1%87%98%9A%F1%81%B3%91%F1%81%B3%99" title="񀂀񀅐񏤌񏢰񀅘񏣰񏢯񇘂񏤕񏣖񇘚񏣝񏣖񁳑񏤔񏤃񁳙񏣣񏤁񀂁񀅐񀅘񇘂񇘚񁳑񁳙" style="text-decoration: none; ">View</a>, <a href="http://www.signbank.org/swis/iswa/index.html?utf=%F1%80%82%80%F1%80%85%90%F1%8F%A4%8C%F1%8F%A2%B0%F1%80%85%98%F1%8F%A3%B0%F1%8F%A2%AF%F1%87%98%82%F1%8F%A4%95%F1%8F%A3%96%F1%87%98%9A%F1%8F%A3%9D%F1%8F%A3%96%F1%81%B3%91%F1%8F%A4%94%F1%8F%A4%83%F1%81%B3%99%F1%8F%A3%A3%F1%8F%A4%81%F1%80%82%81%F1%80%85%90%F1%80%85%98%F1%87%98%82%F1%87%98%9A%F1%81%B3%91%F1%81%B3%99"

 title="񀂀񀅐񏤌񏢰񀅘񏣰񏢯񇘂񏤕񏣖񇘚񏣝񏣖񁳑񏤔񏤃񁳙񏣣񏤁񀂁񀅐񀅘񇘂񇘚񁳑񁳙" style="text-decoration: none; ">Analyze</a><br>Source: Charles Butler Neto 2010<br>Modified: February 11, 2010 08:54<br>Puddle page 10669</font></p></td></tr></tbody></table></span></div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Honza <honza@ruce.cz><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> SignWriting List <sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thu, February 11, 2010 11:20:01 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [sw-l] signspelling sequence<br></font><br>

Hi Steve, thanks for link to pdf. I think it can be useful for us. I just have one more question - if there is difficult sign that contains more difficult spelling including more than starting and end position of hands how do you make spelling then? Do you use syllables from 1 again? thanks Honza On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Steve Slevinski <<a ymailto="mailto:slevin@signpuddle.net" href="mailto:slevin@signpuddle.net">slevin@signpuddle.net</a>> wrote: > Hi Honza, > > We only use the sequence for sorting.  The PDF that Val previously sent > contains the guidelines for writing sequences. > <a target="_blank" href="http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs6/sw0534-SignSpellingGuidelines-2008.pdf">http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs6/sw0534-SignSpellingGuidelines-2008.pdf</a> > > People interested in animation have also looked at the sequence.

  However,<br>> there are 2 issues here.  The first is to automate the creation of the<br>> sequence.  The second is to use the sequence to help understand the spatial<br>> spelling.<br>><br>> To automate the creation of the sequence, you'd need to analyze each arrow<br>> BaseSymbol (maybe each symbol) for head and tail position.  You'd need to<br>> fill in any assumed symbols that are not included in the spelling, such as<br>> starting or ending handshapes.  There are several other issues as well.<br>><br>> To use the sequence to understand the spatial spelling, you'd need to match<br>> the symbols in the sequence to the symbols in the spatial spelling.  Except<br>> where symbols are repeated, this should be straight forward.  For repeated<br>> symbols, you'd need the same logic as was used to automate the creation of<br>> the sequence.<br>><br>> So, there may be

 additional uses for the sequence.  My current automation of<br>> the sequence is very simplistic.  I take the symbols used in the spelling<br>> and sort them according to the ISWA order.  This simple sequence would not<br>> be useful for animation or conversion.  I will revisit the automatic<br>> creation of the sequence in the future.<br>><br>> Regards,<br>> -Steve<br>><br>><br>><br>> ____________________________________________<br>><br>> SW-L SignWriting List<br>><br>> Post Message<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br>><br>> List Archives and Help<br><span>> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</a></span><br>><br>> Change Email Settings<br><span>> <a target="_blank"

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