<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">I would start with the hand and its orientation, then its location and contact, then movement, then hand in orientation, chest, and contact. The hand always comes first.<br><br>Charles<br><br><div><br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Rachel Channon <rchannon@speakeasy.net><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> SignWriting List <sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Fri, February 26, 2010 8:17:47 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [sw-l] SWML site<br></font><br>
Hello - I really like the idea of setting up a "default"<br>SignSpellingSequence. I wonder if it could be done on the basis of the<br>order in which the person puts the symbols in the SignWriting composition<br>area. So for a sign like ASL WOMAN where the hand touches the chin and then<br>the chest, the writer might start by putting a symbol for the face in the<br>area. Then they move the hand-orientation symbol to the chin. Then they<br>add a second hand symbol at chest level. Then the default sequence for hand<br>location would be hand-at-chin followed by hand-at-chest.<br><br>(please forgive and correct any terminology errors here).<br>Rachel<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br>[mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu"
href="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>] On Behalf Of SignWriting<br>Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 10:26 AM<br>To: SignWriting List<br>Subject: Re: [sw-l] SWML site<br><br>SignWriting List<br>February 25, 2010<br><br>Hello Kate and Steve and Charles -<br>It is great to see how useful BSW is for programming...<br><br>There is one interesting issue I would like to bring up...<br><br>Since the SignSpelling Sequences are put in manually by the writer, and<br>since there are several different theories on what the Sequence should be,<br>it means that programmers who do not know sign language or SignWriting, if<br>they depend entirely on the sequences entered by others, may receive an<br>inconsistent group of sequences....<br><br>The ASL Dictionary puddle online is a free and open database that has not<br>been edited much...Any writer is welcome to add signs and their own feelings<br>on what the
SignSpelling Sequence should be...some people are still learning<br>to write signs, and others are new to the software and are learning how to<br>use it, and others are new to adding Sequences...so the inconsistency may be<br>confusing for your poor avatar! ;-))<br><br>And I suspect that the SignSpelling Sequences used for programming an avatar<br>might be different than the sequences used for sorting dictionaries for deaf<br>children...because I would assume that the programming needs more detail to<br>really see the exact location for the avatar, but when deaf children are<br>looking up signs in dictionaries, my experiences so far show, that detailed<br>SignSpelling Sequences are not necessary for simple look-ups...however, my<br>experiences are not a real research study at all...just my guess...so a real<br>study does need to be done, to find out what theory on SignSpelling<br>Sequences works best for everyday use, and what is necessary for
other<br>projects, such as programming for avatars...<br><br>And Kate...you mentioned you thought it was automatic...Steve is working on<br>the idea of "automated" SignSpelling Sequences that could be the computer's<br>"best guess" at the sequence, based on the alphabetical order of the symbols<br>in the ISWA, and so forth, but then the writer can still go in and change<br>the automated sequences, when necessary...that will be a WONDERFUL step<br>forward, because oftentimes the automated sequences are pretty close to what<br>the writer would have chosen anyway...however...the automated Sequences have<br>not been programmed yet into SignPuddle, so right now we are required to do<br>the sequences manually every time we write a sign...<br><br>You can find the automated and manually created SignSpelling Sequences for<br>each sign in SignPuddle right now, when you click on the BSW Analyze button<br>under each sign in SignPuddle...<br><br>And when SignPuddle
2.0 is released, we will be able to have SignSpelling<br>Sequences in the signs inside documents too, so we will be able to search<br>documents for symbol frequency and so forth...I wish those could be<br>automated as well...<br><br>so for your avatar work, I might do another sequence than I would for deaf<br>children -<br><br>for your avatar work, I would put in more detailed Location Markers from<br>Group 30, in the sequence, so your avatar would know some details of<br>location for exact sign production...although I may be wrong...maybe your<br>animation can move just as well without it and if so that is super!<br><br>Val ;-)<br><br><br><br><br>On Feb 25, 2010, at 6:58 PM, Steve Slevinski wrote:<br><br>> Hi Kate,<br>> <br>> Yes, the <seq> tag represents a symbol in the SignSpelling Sequence. If a<br>sign doesn't have any <seq> tags in the XML, then the sign entry does not<br>include a SignSpelling Sequence. The
sequence is manually entered.<br>> <br>> You can use the new SignText online. I'll have the new SWIS downloads<br>ready in early March.<br>> <br>> <br>> Considering the sign in your email, an ASL puddle sign for deaf, we can<br>look at it together:<br><span>> <a target="_blank" href="http://signbank.org/signpuddle1.5/canvas.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=5206">http://signbank.org/signpuddle1.5/canvas.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=5206</a></span><br><br><br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br><a ymailto="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br><br>List Archives and Help<br><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</a></span><br><br>Change Email Settings<br><span><a target="_blank"
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