<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div>The nice thing about searching on the signpuddle site, is no matter which way the Sign Symbol Sequence is set up, one can search by any parameter and get all signs relating to that area, so if you want to see all signs relating to the face, one simply goes to the facial circle and tag it so you would find father, mother, hello, for-for, black, sex, sour, all sorts of things depending on where you looked. The dictionary sorting program is really quite amazing so that long term you can parallel SignTyp categories of things like "signs where the index finger is fully extended", which, to me, needs about six other parameters to make sense, else you lump flat hands in with index fingers.</div><div><br></div><div>Charles</div><div><br></div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica,
sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><br><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Rachel Channon <rchannon@speakeasy.net><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> SignWriting List <sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Fri, February 26, 2010 8:17:47 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [sw-l] SWML site<br></font><br>
Hello - I really like the idea of setting up a "default"<br>SignSpellingSequence. I wonder if it could be done on the basis of the<br>order in which the person puts the symbols in the SignWriting composition<br>area. So for a sign like ASL WOMAN where the hand touches the chin and then<br>the chest, the writer might start by putting a symbol for the face in the<br>area. Then they move the hand-orientation symbol to the chin. Then they<br>add a second hand symbol at chest level. Then the default sequence for hand<br>location would be hand-at-chin followed by hand-at-chest.<br><br>(please forgive and correct any terminology errors here).<br>Rachel<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br>[mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu"
href="mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>] On Behalf Of SignWriting<br>Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 10:26 AM<br>To: SignWriting List<br>Subject: Re: [sw-l] SWML site<br><br>SignWriting List<br>February 25, 2010<br><br>Hello Kate and Steve and Charles -<br>It is great to see how useful BSW is for programming...<br><br>There is one interesting issue I would like to bring up...<br><br>Since the SignSpelling Sequences are put in manually by the writer, and<br>since there are several different theories on what the Sequence should be,<br>it means that programmers who do not know sign language or SignWriting, if<br>they depend entirely on the sequences entered by others, may receive an<br>inconsistent group of sequences....<br><br>The ASL Dictionary puddle online is a free and open database that has not<br>been edited much...Any writer is welcome to add signs and their own feelings<br>on what the
SignSpelling Sequence should be...some people are still learning<br>to write signs, and others are new to the software and are learning how to<br>use it, and others are new to adding Sequences...so the inconsistency may be<br>confusing for your poor avatar! ;-))<br><br>And I suspect that the SignSpelling Sequences used for programming an avatar<br>might be different than the sequences used for sorting dictionaries for deaf<br>children...because I would assume that the programming needs more detail to<br>really see the exact location for the avatar, but when deaf children are<br>looking up signs in dictionaries, my experiences so far show, that detailed<br>SignSpelling Sequences are not necessary for simple look-ups...however, my<br>experiences are not a real research study at all...just my guess...so a real<br>study does need to be done, to find out what theory on SignSpelling<br>Sequences works best for everyday use, and what is necessary for
other<br>projects, such as programming for avatars...<br><br>And Kate...you mentioned you thought it was automatic...Steve is working on<br>the idea of "automated" SignSpelling Sequences that could be the computer's<br>"best guess" at the sequence, based on the alphabetical order of the symbols<br>in the ISWA, and so forth, but then the writer can still go in and change<br>the automated sequences, when necessary...that will be a WONDERFUL step<br>forward, because oftentimes the automated sequences are pretty close to what<br>the writer would have chosen anyway...however...the automated Sequences have<br>not been programmed yet into SignPuddle, so right now we are required to do<br>the sequences manually every time we write a sign...<br><br>You can find the automated and manually created SignSpelling Sequences for<br>each sign in SignPuddle right now, when you click on the BSW Analyze button<br>under each sign in SignPuddle...<br><br>And when SignPuddle
2.0 is released, we will be able to have SignSpelling<br>Sequences in the signs inside documents too, so we will be able to search<br>documents for symbol frequency and so forth...I wish those could be<br>automated as well...<br><br>so for your avatar work, I might do another sequence than I would for deaf<br>children -<br><br>for your avatar work, I would put in more detailed Location Markers from<br>Group 30, in the sequence, so your avatar would know some details of<br>location for exact sign production...although I may be wrong...maybe your<br>animation can move just as well without it and if so that is super!<br><br>Val ;-)<br><br><br><br><br>On Feb 25, 2010, at 6:58 PM, Steve Slevinski wrote:<br><br>> Hi Kate,<br>> <br>> Yes, the <seq> tag represents a symbol in the SignSpelling Sequence. If a<br>sign doesn't have any <seq> tags in the XML, then the sign entry does not<br>include a SignSpelling Sequence. The
sequence is manually entered.<br>> <br>> You can use the new SignText online. I'll have the new SWIS downloads<br>ready in early March.<br>> <br>> <br>> Considering the sign in your email, an ASL puddle sign for deaf, we can<br>look at it together:<br><span>> <a target="_blank" href="http://signbank.org/signpuddle1.5/canvas.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=5206">http://signbank.org/signpuddle1.5/canvas.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=5206</a></span><br><br><br><br><br>____________________________________________<br><br>SW-L SignWriting List<br><br>Post Message<br><a ymailto="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu" href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br><br>List Archives and Help<br><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/</a></span><br><br>Change Email Settings<br><span><a target="_blank"
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