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To me, this seems very much better. But it would bee good to have Deaf (native signer's) response to the issue.<br><br>Ingvild
<br><br><br><br>> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 07:22:42 -0600<br>> From: alanpost@sunflowerriver.org<br>> To: sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] embedding ASL in pdf/html<br>> <br>> I've created a new draft of my page on use of sign language in "lo<br>> do ckiku ma zvati:"<br>> <br>> http://test.lodockikumazvati.org/xanbau/<br>> <br>> The original page is still online at:<br>> <br>> http://lodockikumazvati.org/xanbau/<br>> <br>> You can therefor compare the new and old versions of the page.<br>> <br>> Ingvild, Cherie, and anyone else interested, would you review the<br>> incorporation of the below given feedback? I'll publish the changes<br>> to the production website if everything looks ok.<br>> <br>> I'll push this update out tonight if I don't hear any feedback on<br>> the new version of the page. I hope it has covered every point made<br>> below.<br>> <br>> -Alan<br>> <br>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:26:02AM +0100, Ingvild Roald wrote:<br>> > My feeling too - it is dangerous ground. But if it made clear that:<br>> > <br>> > 1) ASL and other sign languages are real languages, used by real people<br>> > 2) as real languages, they have their own grammar<br>> > 3) that what is used in your game is individual signs borrowed from ASL,<br>> > and not the real ASL language<br>> > 4) that learning the signs of ASL is not learning ASL<br>> > 5) that knowing ASL signs may ease communication with ASL signers, if you<br>> > are aware of the limitations mentioned above.<br>> > <br>> > If this is not made very clear in the use of the signs, I fully understand<br>> > how this make give a feeling of being 'raped' . Deaf people have been<br>> > through so many hard times trying to make other understand, that they are<br>> > often quite a bit sensitive to this issue. At the same time, when showing<br>> > with humilty and respect, a person who uses signs haltingly is usually<br>> > made to feel welcome in a signing setting. At least, this is my experience<br>> > <br>> > Ingvild (Norway, non-Deaf)<br>> > <br>> > > From: icemandeaf@gmail.com<br>> > > To: sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br>> > > Subject: Re: [sw-l] embedding ASL in pdf/html<br>> > > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:32:19 -0700<br>> > ><br>> > > That's exactly what he meant. It is something that has to be treaded<br>> > > carefully because it has happened too many times where that exact fear<br>> > > has happened. That is why so many Deaf people are so protective.<br>> > ><br>> > > Adam<br>> > ><br>> > > On Mar 23, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:<br>> > ><br>> > > > So I am trying to imagine what the Deaf person meant by saying that<br>> > > > to you...I would assume there is a possible fear, that hearing<br>> > > > people will use Deaf people's native language, ASL, which is a true<br>> > > > language, just for games, and not understand its importance in<br>> > > > society .... do you think that was what he meant?<br>> > > ><br>> > > > Adam?<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > ____________________________________________<br>> > ><br>> > > SW-L SignWriting List<br>> > ><br>> > > Post Message<br>> > > SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br>> > ><br>> > > List Archives and Help<br>> > > http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<br>> > ><br>> > > Change Email Settings<br>> > > http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l<br>> > ><br>> <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > ____________________________________________<br>> > <br>> > SW-L SignWriting List<br>> > <br>> > Post Message<br>> > SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br>> > <br>> > List Archives and Help<br>> > http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<br>> > <br>> > Change Email Settings<br>> > http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l<br>> <br>> -- <br>> te djuno lo do sevzi<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ____________________________________________<br>> <br>> SW-L SignWriting List<br>> <br>> Post Message<br>> SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br>> <br>> List Archives and Help<br>> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<br>> <br>> Change Email Settings<br>> http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l<br>> <br> </body>
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