<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><DIV>Perhaps we need to have more examples of written sign language, written and then scanned, not typed using SignPuddle. This would really change people's minds. I know that Brasilian kids use SW all the time in class. I was at a grammar school (3rd - 5th grade) in Porto Alegre that was teaching SW to all the kids. They had posters, they had games, they had a full wall with their examples written.</DIV>
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<DIV>Charles</DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Shane Gilchrist <shane.gilchrist@GMAIL.COM><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wed, May 26, 2010 5:42:23 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> more on LREC<BR></FONT><BR>
<DIV dir=ltr>Maria,
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<DIV>I concur with you.</DIV>
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<DIV>My supervisor and I were talking about that - SW could be a very useful resource.</DIV>
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<DIV>Shane<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On 26 May 2010 23:36, MARIA AZZOPARDI <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:maria.azzopardi@um.edu.mt" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:maria.azzopardi@um.edu.mt">maria.azzopardi@um.edu.mt</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=gmail_quote>Thank you Charles for your reply.<BR>My disappointement was acually a little more than 'slight'.<BR>LREC stands for 'Language Resources Evaluation Conference' - LANGUAGE<BR>RESOURCES! and not one paper or poster tackled the issue of WRITING sign<BR>language. The focus is so heavy on the technology side of creating<BR>machines that can do and read sign language - that the very basic and<BR>human capacity for WRITING as a language resource is overlooked.<BR><FONT color=#888888>Maria<BR></FONT>
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<DIV class=h5><BR><BR>> HamNoSys from my understanding, is like Stokoe, it is a linear exposition<BR>> of Sign Languages, not based on their actual appearance in space, which<BR>> Sign Writing does. The only way to change minds and hearts is to show<BR>> TISLR, as we are doing in October, with poster sessions and other<BR>> methodologies, actual linguistic research using both databases and<BR>> exposition. <BR>><BR>> We are dealing with inertia here, and a real culture of denial that a<BR>> writing system can actually work. It will take your groundbreaking work<BR>> and the work of users like Fernando Capovilla in Brazil to turn that<BR>> around, and that with so many piles of literature that it cannot be<BR>> ignored.<BR>><BR>> Publish, publish, publish, the overwhelming evidence will change the<BR>> culture.<BR>><BR>> Charles Butler Neto<BR>> ASL and Libras user.<BR>><BR>>
<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> ________________________________<BR>> From: MARIA AZZOPARDI <<A href="mailto:maria.azzopardi@UM.EDU.MT" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:maria.azzopardi@UM.EDU.MT">maria.azzopardi@UM.EDU.MT</A>><BR>> To: <A href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU</A><BR>> Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 4:45:08 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: Data exchange with SignPuddle Markup Language<BR>><BR>> Dear Steve, Val and all the list,<BR>> I attended the LREC 2010 and I must say I was slightly disappointed at the<BR>> very low use of SignWriting in Computer Sign Language linguists. There<BR>> were some researchers that told me they considered SignWriting, but opted<BR>> for HanNoSys. It would be ideal if SignWriting were used, I thought, but I<BR>> probably can't understand the technicalities, as
computers are not my<BR>> area.<BR>> Could you explain why the situation is so.<BR>> Thank you very much,<BR>> Maria<BR>><BR>>> Hi Bill,<BR>>><BR>>> In SignPuddle Markup Language, there are 3 main parts of information:<BR>>> terms, text, and source. SignWriting can be used in each. The voice<BR>>> language items are defined the same as sign language items.<BR>>><BR>>> However, by convention, I will be using voice language items differently<BR>>> than sign language items.<BR>>><BR>>> The voice language items will use UTF-8. This will be straight<BR>>> character data, so I'm wrapping the entires as a CDATA block to avoid<BR>>> parsing.<BR>>><BR>>> The sign language items will use BSW as hexadecimal. I still need to<BR>>> decide if terms can be one than one sign. This will determine if terms<BR>>> are edited with
SignMaker or SignText. I need to decide the same for<BR>>> the source: one sign only, or more than one sign.<BR>>><BR>>> For the ultimate in flexibility, I could have the sign language items<BR>>> use UTF-8; the same as the voice language sections. I would need to<BR>>> encode the Binary SignWriting using the UTF-8 I propose with the plane 4<BR>>> solution. This way, we could mix sign language with HTML markup and<BR>>> other spoken languages. However, this encoding is not approved by the<BR>>> Unicode consortium so it may be considered bad manners to start using<BR>>> plane 4 without their approval.<BR>>><BR>>> Either way I go, I will not need to update the SPML DTD definition. You<BR>>> can see that I am not limiting the terms, text, or source.<BR>>> http://www.signpuddle.net/spml.dtd<BR>>><BR>>> Here's an abbreviated
definition<BR>>> <!ELEMENT spml (entry+)><BR>>> <!ELEMENT entry (item+)><BR>>> <!ELEMENT item (term*,text?,src?)><BR>>> <!ELEMENT term (#PCDATA)><BR>>> <!ELEMENT text (#PCDATA)><BR>>> <!ELEMENT src (#PCDATA)><BR>>><BR>>> + one or more<BR>>> * zero or more<BR>>> ? zero or one<BR>>><BR>>> Regards,<BR>>> -Steve<BR>>><BR>>><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></div></body></html>