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Hi Charles,<br>
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The symbols in the email are "0.7" in size. I prepared the email using
the SignWriting Image Server. My development version of SWIS can
produce both the cartesian and polar markups. <br>
<br>
Here's the raw polar markup:<br>
B���330°16���129°14
B���169°21���252°6���80°11���19°21 <br>
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Once I can get a font file created, the above markup will show the
actual symbols rather than the unknown code point boxes.<br>
<br>
To fake it, I deleted the unknown code point boxes so I could replace
them with the symbol graphics.<br>
<br>
In SWIS, I used the Symbols page. I changed the size to ".7" and press
view. Then I dragged the symbols to the desktop. Then from the
desktop into the email.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
-Steve<br>
<br>
Charles Butler wrote:
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<div>Excellent. This is very easy to follow. Now how do you manage
to get the signs into your write-up the same size as Roman letters?
That's the kind of interaction we need for the proposed SignTyp
presentation. This seems to be parsed with the graphic being dropped
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<hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b>
Steve Slevinski <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:slevin@SIGNPUDDLE.NET"><slevin@SIGNPUDDLE.NET></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thu, June 17,
2010 9:14:40 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Binary
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Hi Charles,<br>
<br>
The markup for polar works the same as the cartesian. Each sign is
written on its own canvas (or grid). Each canvas has a defined
center. The relative position of the symbols to each other is
determined by the writer. The position of the sign as a whole on its
canvas is determined by centering rules.<br>
<br>
Each markup will use 3 letters to represent lanes: L, B, and R. L for
a left lane sign box. B for a middle lane sign box. R for a right
lane sign box. Each of these letters signifies the start of a new
canvas. Consider the example I included:<br>
<br>
B<img alt="" src="cid:part1.06030804.04080303@signpuddle.net">330°16<img
alt="" src="cid:part2.07090204.09050009@signpuddle.net">129°14 B<img
alt="" src="cid:part3.05090109.08070400@signpuddle.net">169°21<img
alt="" src="cid:part4.02000803.01050109@signpuddle.net">252°6<img
alt="" src="cid:part5.03050306.08040508@signpuddle.net">80°11<img
alt="" src="cid:part6.08030204.09040109@signpuddle.net">19°21<br>
<br>
There are 2 signs, both in the middle lane. To use different lanes,
change the B's for L's or R's. Such as...<br>
<br>
L<img alt="" src="cid:part1.06030804.04080303@signpuddle.net">330°16<img
alt="" src="cid:part2.07090204.09050009@signpuddle.net">129°14 R<img
alt="" src="cid:part3.05090109.08070400@signpuddle.net">169°21<img
alt="" src="cid:part4.02000803.01050109@signpuddle.net">252°6<img
alt="" src="cid:part5.03050306.08040508@signpuddle.net">80°11<img
alt="" src="cid:part6.08030204.09040109@signpuddle.net">19°21<br>
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The first sign is now in the left lane. The second sign is now in the
right lane.<br>
<br>
Both polar and cartesian coordinates are equivalent forms and represent
the exact same data from a different point of view. <br>
<br>
In my opinion, the cartesian markup is much easier to use. The polar
markup requires the use of trigonometric functions and the Pythagorean
theorem.<br>
<br>
It will take experimentation to determine if one markup is more
meaningful or useful as a whole.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
-Steve<br>
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<div>But how would one show lanes in a polar writing. If one needs
multiple lanes to show a sign, say in the name sign Carmen Miranda, is
it the center of the sign or the center of the sign component that one
is showing. Just trying to make sure I understand cartesian vs polar.
Is this is terms of the whole map of the objects in a sign, or each
individual sign in a defined grid. Is this like Hangul in which a
construction method is being used to show where all the components are
in relation to each other, or in relation to an invisible box. </div>
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<hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b>
Ingvild Roald <a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
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ymailto="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU" target="_blank"
href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thu, June 17,
2010 5:32:49 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Binary
SignWriting revision 3 update<br>
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not the polar version make it easier to change size - just one
parameter to change (distance), not all as in Cartesian?<br>
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Ingvild <br>
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<hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 14:06:07 -0500<br>
From: <a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:slevin@SIGNPUDDLE.NET"
target="_blank" href="mailto:slevin@SIGNPUDDLE.NET">slevin@SIGNPUDDLE.NET</a><br>
Subject: Re: Binary SignWriting revision 3 update<br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
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ymailto="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU" target="_blank"
href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU</a><br>
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Hi Adam,<br>
<br>
Unfortunately, it's a 2 step process right now.<br>
<br>
The first page converts BSW 2008 to BSW 2010:<br>
<span><span><a moz-do-not-send="true" target="_blank"
href="http://signbank.org/iswa_dev/convert/example.php">http://signbank.org/iswa_dev/convert/example.php</a></span></span><br>
<br>
The second page converts BSW 2010 to BSW 3:<br>
<span><span><a moz-do-not-send="true" target="_blank"
href="http://signbank.org/iswa_dev/convert/bsw3.php">http://signbank.org/iswa_dev/convert/bsw3.php</a></span></span><br>
<br>
Section 4 of the conversion document links to both pages.<br>
<span><span><a moz-do-not-send="true" target="_blank"
href="http://signbank.org/iswa_dev/convert/">http://signbank.org/iswa_dev/convert/</a></span></span><br>
<br>
<br>
Speaking of conversions, building on the idea of encoding the symbols,
but not the layout, I've created 2 different markups that will be able
to use my proposed Unicode implementation. One Cartesian and the other
Polar. These markups can be created from any SignPuddle data. <br>
<br>
If we consider "Hello world." in ASL...<br>
<img alt="" src="cid:part13.02010404.05030709@signpuddle.net"><br>
<br>
<br>
The Cartesian markup uses XY coordinates, where the coordinates
represent the top,left of the symbol position.<br>
<br>
SignWriting Cartesian Markup<br>
---------------------------------------<br>
B<img alt="" src="cid:part1.06030804.04080303@signpuddle.net">-19,-29<img
alt="" src="cid:part2.07090204.09050009@signpuddle.net">3,-11 B<img
alt="" src="cid:part3.05090109.08070400@signpuddle.net">-11,12<img
alt="" src="cid:part4.02000803.01050109@signpuddle.net">-18,-10<img
alt="" src="cid:part5.03050306.08040508@signpuddle.net">6,-7<img alt=""
src="cid:part6.08030204.09040109@signpuddle.net">-2,-30 <img alt=""
src="cid:part20.07050805.04020003@signpuddle.net"><br>
<br>
<br>
The Polar markup uses degrees and distance from the center of the sign,
where the coordinates represent the center of the symbol position. 12
o'clock is 0° and increases clockwise. So 3 o'clock is 90°, 6 o'clock
is 180, and 9 o'clock is 270. It may be very interesting to analyze
the Polar markup.<br>
<br>
SignWriting Polar Markup<br>
----------------------------------<br>
B<img alt="" src="cid:part1.06030804.04080303@signpuddle.net">330°16<img
alt="" src="cid:part2.07090204.09050009@signpuddle.net">129°14 B<img
alt="" src="cid:part3.05090109.08070400@signpuddle.net">169°21<img
alt="" src="cid:part4.02000803.01050109@signpuddle.net">252°6<img
alt="" src="cid:part5.03050306.08040508@signpuddle.net">80°11<img
alt="" src="cid:part6.08030204.09040109@signpuddle.net">19°21 <img
alt="" src="cid:part20.07050805.04020003@signpuddle.net"><br>
<br>
Thought I'd share,<br>
-Steve<br>
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