<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Okay, when Valerie first came out with Sign Writing for Everyday Use, we had an order to the signs within each group, following in a logical order from straight to bent to curled. With the growth of the system, handshapes have been added without a logical progression so that missing ones may be inferred but there is no order to them. </div><div><br></div><div>For a complete dictionary, in sign order, then pushing "Sign Frequency" will print them by group and in order of the numbers of the codes, but that coding is not consistent across the board.</div><div><br></div><div>When I teach the system, I teach it in an order, Group 1, then Group 2, then Group 3, then Group 4, but i also attempt to put the actual handshapes in a logical order, and at the moment that varies from sign language to
sign language depending on which handshapes are actually used in the language. </div><div><br></div><div>I published, some time ago, a proposed system to put </div><div><br></div><div>1) handshape</div><div>2) orientation starting from facing the reader, half left or right, back of hand, face up, forward half left or right, face down</div><div>3) rotation from vertical rotating clockwise.</div><div>4) --- second handshape would fit here if more than one hand is in the sign, orientation, rotation</div><div>4A - I put location here, Valerie puts it at the end, from her experiments with Deaf looking up signs. </div><div>5) --- contact (touch, strike, brush, rub)</div><div>6) --- finger movement</div><div>7) --- vertical movement</div><div>8) --- horizontal movement</div><div>9) --- curved vertical movement</div><div>10) --- curved horizontal movement</div><div>11) --- circles</div><div>12) --- speed</div><div>13) --- facial
expressions</div><div><br></div><div>So, for example, the following are in Sign-Symbol-Sequence Order for me. All two handed signs come after all one handed signs for the same orientation. </div><div><br></div><div><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><img src="webkit-fake-url://CD8ABF45-D5BA-4588-A2F3-4EBFAAEFA790/image.php.png" alt="image.php.png"> = Group 1, primary orientation, no movement</p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><br></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><img src="webkit-fake-url://D67D53EF-5380-4919-BF39-EECDF91972C5/image.php.png" alt="image.php.png"> = Group 1, primary orientation, movement vertical, </p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><br></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px
Helvetica"><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><img src="webkit-fake-url://BC9F72A5-300D-4554-A28D-4531FFE8C06F/image.php.png" alt="image.php.png"> = Group 1, primary orientation, first hand, group one, primary orientation second hand, movement horizontal, facial involvement (ALL TWO HANDED SIGNS COME AFTER ONE HANDED SIGNS)</p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><br></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><img src="webkit-fake-url://B02393C9-A43C-4DE0-8547-D79908CA6A39/image.php.png" alt="image.php.png"> = Group 1, primary orientation, first hand, group 5, back of hand, second hand, movement horizontal (GROUP 5 comes after GROUP 1) </p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><br></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px
Helvetica"></p></p></p></p></div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; "><img src="webkit-fake-url://AE2C19D9-6104-4424-B766-9A160A3D2079/image.php.png" alt="image.php.png"> = Group 1, second orientation, 45 counter clockwise, circular motion, facial involvement</span></span></b></font></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; "><br></span></span></b></font></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><font size="2"
face="Tahoma"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; "><br></span></span></b></font></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><b><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><img src="webkit-fake-url://29B9A216-DCE9-4AC0-94B4-FE6B61984E95/image.php.png" alt="image.php.png"> - Group 1, first hand, second orientation, 45 counter clockwise, Group 1, crooked handshape, finger movement, finger movement. Is this before the one above from the finger movement?</p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><br></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><br></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica">(SKIPPING A
FEW)</p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><br></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><br></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><img src="webkit-fake-url://C8B8BDB7-833F-4CB4-855C-B0ACD0E6EEA7/image.php.png" alt="image.php.png"> = Group 5, first hand, forward, half, 45 counter clockwise, Group 5, second hand, forward, half, 45 clockwise, held in between, forward twice </p></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><br></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><img src="webkit-fake-url://DAF65929-8D1D-4BC1-857A-EFBBF9EF74BA/image.php.png" alt="image.php.png"> Group 5, side forward, half, 45 counter clockwise, Group 5 side forward, half, 45 clockwise,
held in between, twice forward twice, slow</p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><br></p></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica">The Sign Symbol Sequence may order the signs if each of them has been ordered, but I have not sufficiently experimented to see if one enters signs and then orders them by one's chosen order whether the "symbol frequency" will follow that order. </p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><br></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><br></p></b></span></font></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU<br><b><span style="font-weight:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;">can you explain? I do not
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;">Stefan ;-) </span></font></p>
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SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
[mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.</span></font><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;">EDU] <b><span style="
font-weight:bold;">Im Auftrag von </span></b>Charles Butler<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Gesendet:</span></b> Samstag, 11. Dezember
2010 14:29<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">An:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Betreff:</span></b> Re: Creating a sign
language ordered dictionary</span></font></p>
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chosen order without constructing it yourself? I order my dictionary down to
the individual handshape and movement, and that is all by hand.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold;">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;"> Stefan
Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann@GOOGLEMAIL.COM><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> AW: I need your help: DOS
Box and SignWriter 4.4</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;">Hi Meryeme, </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;"> </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;">I am no software expert whatsoever
and it took me a long time to understand the tricks how to install the DOS-Box
proberly to work together with the SW 4.4 Program (except for printing) .
I wrote a short tutorial – </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;"><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.gebaerdenschrift.de/documents/dos_winxp/dos_box_installation.htm">http://www.gebaerdenschrift.de/documents/dos_winxp/dos_box_installation.htm</a></span></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;">Perhaps this can support
you in your efforts? </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;">In addition to that. It
takes some time to become an expert with this DOS – SignWriter 4.4
Program - you have to download and install the dictionary ... </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;">As Valerie mentioned
before – the SignPuddle software allows an easy way to create entries, to
create documents, to send emails written in SignWriting, to look up terms word
– to sign order and to look up signs – symbol –to sign order, you can search
for frequencies (what are the most often used symbols) .... </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;">Good luck </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;">Stefan</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;"> </span></font></p>
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: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU] <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Im Auftrag von </span></b>Meryeme Ayache<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Gesendet:</span></b> Freitag, 10. </span></font><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;">Dezember
2010 22:04<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">An:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Betreff:</span></b> Re: I need your help</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;">hey Valerie and Stefan
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;"> I hope that
you all are doing well. I installed the DOSbox but I have problem in some DOS
commands like 'md \sw' in order to create f directory but I will keep trying I
think that is because I am using window 7 but I am not sure. and by the way I
used the ASL SignPuddle Dictionary and I really like but I don't wanna use
it in my project because I need to enter the sign writing manually because I
have to verify first if the entered character belong to the list of
sign-writing language or not and that is what we call it (the
lexical analyzer :-) and it is the first step to realize a compiler I will
let you updated of my researches </span></font></span><span lang="EN-GB"><br clear="all">
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</span><font size="2" color="#500050" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#500050;">-- </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#500050" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#500050;">Meryeme Ayache.<i style="outline-style:none;"><span style="font-style:italic;"><br style="outline-style:none;">
</span></i></span></font><i style="outline-style:none;"><font color="#500050" face="Times"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:Times;color:#500050;
font-style:italic;"><span style="outline-style:none;">Elève ingénieur ( 2ème année )<br style="outline-style:none;">
Ecole Nationale Supérieure d'Informatique et d'Analyse des Systèmes (
Rabat ).</span></span></font></i></p>
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