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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Eda, Valerie, Charles –
sw-friends, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Wow – what an
interesting spelling discussion on the last day of this year. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>First of all – Eda –
I like your Adobe Illustrator SW-style very much. Really art – work. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I could read your card –
even though I hesitate to understand the spelling of “novo” on your
first card. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The problem is the result
of this symbol O-hand – graphem. There is no hint about fingers or thumb –
so the orientation of the hand is not clear. (Same problem with the closed
fist – graphem - ;-( <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So there are many
orientations possible if we look at this “circle”. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I created two little
graphics to explain this - <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I would not worry about
the spelling in this case. Once the reader is informed that you express new
year wishes – it should be ok. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So in this case I would
agree with Valerie to keep the spelling as simple as possible. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>All the best <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Stefan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on"><st1:PersonName w:st="on">SignWriting List</st1:PersonName>: Read and
Write Sign Languages</st1:PersonName> [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>Charles Butler<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Freitag, 31. Dezember
2010 05:49<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: Happy New Year to the
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">SignWriting List</st1:PersonName>!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Eu mesmo, o primeiro sinal, sem braco. Com duas maos,
e mais facil a leer. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I, the same, the first sign, without the arm. With two
hands, it is much easier to read. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Charles<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I personally must interject that I find showing a photograph
and then showing an expressive writing is completely confusing to me. I
write what I see, if I see receptive, I write receptive. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>If I am writing my own hands, I write expressive.
Writing in opposite directions for the same writing when trying to
compare what a person is doing on a photograph in front of me throws me.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>When I teach, I teach both ways, and I show both ways, so
that people can understand that one reverses as a complete front and back sign.
If the motion moves right, I write that direction for the signer, who is
NOT me, so the motion matches the actual picture in front of me. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Charles<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Eda
AMORim <edaamorim@HOTMAIL.COM><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thu, December 30, 2010
10:52:46 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Happy New Year to the
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">SignWriting List</st1:PersonName>!<br>
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Val,<br>
Segue a foto, qual você acha que fica mais claro para o leitor?<br>
Penso que seja o primeiro sinal.<br>
<br>
<span class=hps><span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">Below</span></span>
<span class=hps><span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">the
picture</span></span><span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">,</span>
<span class=hps><span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">what</span></span>
<span class=hps><span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">do you
think</span></span> <span class=hps><span
title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">is</span></span> <span
class=hps><span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">more</span></span>
<span class=hps><span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">clear</span></span>
<span class=hps><span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">to</span></span>
<span class=hps><span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">the</span></span>
<span class=hps><span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">reader?</span></span><br>
<span class=hps><span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas"><span
title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">I think</span></span> <span
title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas"><span class=hps>it is</span></span>
<span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas"><span class=hps>the
first sign</span></span><span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">.</span><br>
</span> <br>
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<font color="#0c0c0c"><span style='color:#0C0C0C'>Eda Amorim<br>
Intérprete/Tradutora e Profa. de Língua Brasileira de Sinais<br>
Especialista em Educação de Surdos<br>
<br>
CENTRO EDUCACIONAL CULTURA SURDA LTDA.<br>
(11) 3416-7888 <br>
(11) 2626-4945<br>
(11) 9168-6761 <br>
<a href="mailto:contato@cultursurda.com.br" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:contato@cultursurda.com.br">contato@cultursurda.com.br</a></span></font><br>
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href="http://www.culturasurda.com.br/" target="_blank">www.culturasurda.com.br</a></span></font><br>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:10:18 -0800<br>
From: sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG<br>
Subject: Re: Happy New Year to the <st1:PersonName w:st="on">SignWriting List</st1:PersonName>!<br>
To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>SignWriting List</span></font></st1:PersonName><br>
December 30, 2010<br>
<br>
On Dec 30, 2010, at 6:15 PM, Eda AMORim wrote:<br>
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> Olá Val,<br>
> Obrigada! Farei um tutorial explicando. Fiz no Adobe Illustrator.<br>
> Thank you! I'll make a tutorial. I made in Adobe Illustrator<br>
<br>
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Olá Eda!<br>
Thank you for changing the card so fast - that is amazing!<br>
<br>
You are very skilled with Adobe Illustrator...I use the Adobe Creative Suite Design Premium (CS5) - and Illustrator is a part of that suite of programs, so we use some of the same software ;-)<br>
<br>
I am happy you are creating a tutorial. Let's talk about the third sign, for NEW? NOVO? I do not know the sign, but I should be able to read the movements, but I am not sure of the movement...<br>
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Does it start with a circle shape for<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> the right hand, and then moves side and opens up in a five hand? Like this?<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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You see, the little hollow circle that represents the opening of fingers (that
appears at the end of your arrow in the third sign), could mean that you were
opening to a variety of different handshapes...but if you write the finishing
hand shape, it is a lot clearer for the reader... If you write that second
position then it is not necessary to write the hollow dot that means to open
the fingers...so is my sign for NOVO correct in LIBRAS? or have I
misunderstood? I look forward to your answer ;-) Val ;-) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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