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Stefan, obrigada! <BR>
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Concordo com vocês, quanto mais simples melhor.<BR>
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Feliz ano Novo!!!<BR><BR><FONT color=#0c0c0c><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Eda Amorim</FONT><BR></FONT></FONT><FONT color=#0c0c0c><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Intérprete/Tradutora e Profa. de Língua Brasileira de Sinais<BR>Especialista em Educação de Surdos<BR><STRONG></STRONG><BR> CENTRO EDUCACIONAL CULTURA SURDA LTDA.<BR></FONT></FONT><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT color=#0c0c0c>(11) 3416-7888 <BR>(11) 2626-4945<BR>(11) 9168-6761 <BR></FONT><FONT color=#0c0c0c><A href="mailto:contato@cultursurda.com.br">contato@cultursurda.com.br</A></FONT><BR><FONT color=#0c0c0c><A href="http://www.culturasurda.com.br/" target=_blank>www.culturasurda.com.br</A></FONT></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3></FONT><FONT color=#0c0c0c> </FONT><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#1f497d size=3></FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#1f497d size=3></FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT color=#1f497d size=3></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman"> <BR></FONT><BR><BR><BR> <BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:46:54 +0100<BR>From: stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE<BR>Subject: AW: Happy New Year to the SignWriting List!<BR>To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU<BR><BR>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi Eda, Valerie, Charles – sw-friends, </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Wow – what an interesting spelling discussion on the last day of this year. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">First of all – Eda – I like your Adobe Illustrator SW-style very much. Really art – work. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I could read your card – even though I hesitate to understand the spelling of “novo” on your first card. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The problem is the result of this symbol O-hand – graphem. There is no hint about fingers or thumb – so the orientation of the hand is not clear. (Same problem with the closed fist – graphem - ;-( </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So there are many orientations possible if we look at this “circle”. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I created two little graphics to explain this - </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I would not worry about the spelling in this case. Once the reader is informed that you express new year wishes – it should be ok. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So in this case I would agree with Valerie to keep the spelling as simple as possible. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">All the best </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Von:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Im Auftrag von </SPAN></B>Charles Butler<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Gesendet:</SPAN></B> Freitag, 31. Dezember 2010 05:49<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">An:</SPAN></B> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Betreff:</SPAN></B> Re: Happy New Year to the SignWriting List!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Eu mesmo, o primeiro sinal, sem braco. Com duas maos, e mais facil a leer. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I, the same, the first sign, without the arm. With two hands, it is much easier to read. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I personally must interject that I find showing a photograph and then showing an expressive writing is completely confusing to me. I write what I see, if I see receptive, I write receptive. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If I am writing my own hands, I write expressive. Writing in opposite directions for the same writing when trying to compare what a person is doing on a photograph in front of me throws me.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">When I teach, I teach both ways, and I show both ways, so that people can understand that one reverses as a complete front and back sign. If the motion moves right, I write that direction for the signer, who is NOT me, so the motion matches the actual picture in front of me. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Eda AMORim <edaamorim@HOTMAIL.COM><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thu, December 30, 2010 10:52:46 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Happy New Year to the SignWriting List!<BR></SPAN></FONT><BR>Val,<BR>Segue a foto, qual você acha que fica mais claro para o leitor?<BR>Penso que seja o primeiro sinal.<BR><BR><SPAN class=ecxhps><SPAN title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">Below</SPAN></SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps><SPAN title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">the picture</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">,</SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps><SPAN title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">what</SPAN></SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps><SPAN title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">do you think</SPAN></SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps><SPAN title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">is</SPAN></SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps><SPAN title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">more</SPAN></SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps><SPAN title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">clear</SPAN></SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps><SPAN title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">to</SPAN></SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps><SPAN title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">the</SPAN></SPAN> <SPAN class=ecxhps><SPAN title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">reader?</SPAN></SPAN><BR><SPAN class=ecxhps><SPAN title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas"><SPAN title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">I think</SPAN></SPAN> <SPAN title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas"><SPAN class=ecxhps>it is</SPAN></SPAN> <SPAN title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas"><SPAN class=ecxhps>the first sign</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">.</SPAN><BR></SPAN> <BR><BR><BR><FONT color=#0c0c0c><SPAN style="COLOR: #0c0c0c">Eda Amorim<BR>Intérprete/Tradutora e Profa. de Língua Brasileira de Sinais<BR>Especialista em Educação de Surdos<BR><BR> CENTRO EDUCACIONAL CULTURA SURDA LTDA.<BR>(11) 3416-7888 <BR>(11) 2626-4945<BR>(11) 9168-6761 <BR><A href="mailto:contato@cultursurda.com.br">contato@cultursurda.com.br</A></SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT color=#0c0c0c><SPAN style="COLOR: #0c0c0c"><A href="http://www.culturasurda.com.br/" target=_blank>www.culturasurda.com.br</A></SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT color=#0c0c0c><SPAN style="COLOR: #0c0c0c"> </SPAN></FONT><BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR><BR><BR><BR> <BR>Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:10:18 -0800<BR>From: sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG<BR>Subject: Re: Happy New Year to the SignWriting List!<BR>To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU</P><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">SignWriting List</SPAN></FONT><BR>
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On Dec 30, 2010, at 6:15 PM, Eda AMORim wrote:<BR>
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> Olá Val,<BR>
> Obrigada! Farei um tutorial explicando. Fiz no Adobe Illustrator.<BR>
> Thank you! I'll make a tutorial. I made in Adobe Illustrator<BR>
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Olá Eda!<BR>
Thank you for changing the card so fast - that is amazing!<BR>
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You are very skilled with Adobe Illustrator...I use the Adobe Creative Suite Design Premium (CS5) - and Illustrator is a part of that suite of programs, so we use some of the same software ;-)<BR>
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I am happy you are creating a tutorial. Let's talk about the third sign, for NEW? NOVO? I do not know the sign, but I should be able to read the movements, but I am not sure of the movement...<BR>
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Does it start with a circle shape for</PRE><PRE><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> the right hand, and then moves side and opens up in a five hand? Like this?<BR>
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