<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div>I like the pocket, it's how I would write it. You need both lines to show the hip.</div><div><br></div><div>Charles</div><div><br></div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tue, January 11, 2011 6:55:18 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> AW: AW: AW: SW E-Lesson 0097: Neck and Shoulders<br></font><br>
Hi Valerie, <br><br>Yes, I agree - when I read a document, a single Shoulder Line means a<br>Shoulder, not a Hip ... to write under the Hip or close to the Hip and to<br>indicate that the sign is performed pretty low , I always write the Shoulder<br>Line and the Hip Line ... But ( and that is the reason for my answer I allow<br>myself some flexible positioning of the two lines in order to feel<br>comfortable with the "design" of the specific sign... <br><br>What do you think of this spelling of "pocket" Hosentasche <br><br><br>Stefan ;-) <br><br> <br><br>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<br>Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages<br>[mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU</a>] Im Auftrag von Valerie Sutton<br>Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Januar 2011 00:26<br>An: <a ymailto="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU"
href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU</a><br>Betreff: Re: AW: AW: SW E-Lesson 0097: Neck and Shoulders<br><br>SignWriting List<br>January 11, 2011<br><br>Yes - when I read a document, a single Shoulder Line means a Shoulder, not a<br>Hip, since we had that problem back in 1984 and made that rule because our<br>Deaf newspaper writers were mis-reading each other's writings - so when I<br>said "strict" I meant that is the rule we follow here... to write under the<br>Hip, we require both the Shoulder Line and the Hip Line to be written...<br><br>How do you write the Hips versus the Shoulders? Do you have some examples<br>without the Shoulder Line that you feel are read clearly?...I would be happy<br>to see them -<br><br>Val ;-)<br><br>-------<br><br><br>On Jan 11, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:<br><br>> Hi Val, <br>> <br>> thanks for your answer. Have to smile about your strict rule "... and must<br>>
be written as a unit" ... <br>> So if for any purpose I would prefer the two lines one by one you are in<br>> doubt that you would not know which is to be interpreted as shoulder and<br>> which is supposed to be the hip? - ha - I bet you would understand -<br>> definitely!!!! <br>> <br>> Stefan ;-) <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<br>> Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages<br>> [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU</a>] Im Auftrag von Valerie Sutton<br>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Januar 2011 23:00<br>> An: <a ymailto="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU</a><br>> Betreff: Re: AW: SW E-Lesson 0097: Neck and Shoulders<br>> <br>> SignWriting List<br>> January 11, 2011<br>> <br>> Hello Stefan and
everyone...<br>> Thank you for this response. It is always great to get your<br>feedback...which<br>> is excellent...<br>> <br>> Actually in this case, I feel it would be impossible to have that mean a<br>Hip<br>> Line, since the rule is, if you want a sign to be close to the Hip Line<br>you<br>> must have two lines...one for the Shoulder and one for the Hip, and the<br>two<br>> lines for the Shoulder and Hip are close together, and must be written as<br>a<br>> unit. Hip and Shoulder Line are one symbol in the ISWA, with a smaller<br>space<br>> for the Torso than you see in the compound sign below...<br>> <br><br></div></div><div style="position:fixed"></div>
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