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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>attached you fin your
message as it shows up in my email account. So obviously it is connected to
your webmail service. Just switch to Googlemail.com and everything is fine!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on"><st1:PersonName w:st="on">SignWriting List</st1:PersonName>: Read and
Write Sign Languages</st1:PersonName> [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>Charles <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Butler</st1:City></st1:place><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Mittwoch, 12. </span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Januar
2011 16:58<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: SignMail</span></font><span
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Apparently, some people's email servers can't read
signmail. My yahoo account stacks it. I'm going to try sending
myself something in gmail and see if I can read it there.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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Eda AMORim <edaamorim@HOTMAIL.COM><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wed, January 12, 2011
9:51:10 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: SignMail<br>
</span></font><span lang=EN-GB><br>
Charles, obrigada! Vou tentar fazer como você falou.<br>
Tenho uma outra dúvida, no Sign Puddle, eu esqueci meu usuário e senha, como
faço para recuperá-los?<br>
Grata<br>
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<font color="#0c0c0c"><span style='color:#0C0C0C'>Eda Amorim<br>
Intérprete/Tradutora e Profa. de Língua Brasileira de Sinais<br>
Especialista em Educação de Surdos<br>
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CENTRO EDUCACIONAL CULTURA SURDA LTDA.<br>
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3416-7888 <br>
(11) 2626-4945<br>
(11) 9168-6761 <br>
<a href="mailto:contato@cultursurda.com.br" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:contato@cultursurda.com.br">contato@cultursurda.com.br</a></span></font><br>
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face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt'>Date: Wed, 12
Jan 2011 06:41:04 -0800<br>
From: chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM<br>
Subject: Re: SignMail<br>
To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Sign Mail has a glitch. SignMail tem errados.
Voce nao faltar. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I know Valerie has this in the list of things to be repaired,
but it has to wait until the ISWA is fully loaded. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>My work around is to copy the mail, put it into PDF
or JPG and send it out by email in pieces. </span></font><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>It is slow, but it works.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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Eda AMORim <edaamorim@HOTMAIL.COM><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wed, January 12, 2011
9:36:28 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: SignWriting
Handwriting and palm facing</span></font><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=ecxmsonormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Ola, Valerie, Charles ,Erika,
Stefan, e todos da lista, tenho apreciado muito os comentários de vocês e
aprendido muito. Estou acompanhando as discussões, mas apenas desculpe-me por
não estar participando ativamente, mais pela dificuldade no inglês, mas
superarei isso. No que for possível estarei participando, e se for de alguma
ajuda estou a disposição.</span></font><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=ecxmsonormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Por favor, tentei enviar um email
em SW pelo site, sign pudle, mas não consegui, será que estou fazendo algo
errado? </span></font><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=ecxmsonormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Obrigada</span></font><span
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Eda Amorim</span></font><span
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">, Stefan</span><span
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:00:44 -0800<br>
From: sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG<br>
Subject: Re: SignWriting Handwriting and palm facing<br>
To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt'>SignWriting List</span></font></st1:PersonName><br>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt'>January 11, 2011<br>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt'>Hello Charles -<br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thank you for this message...<br>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt'>On Jan 11, 2011, at 7:31 PM, Charles Butler wrote:<br>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt'>> No I use the slash for palm facing parallel to the floor in my teaching style. In one of the lessons he was using the slash across the palms for palm up and away or down and away (parallel to<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt'> arrows). I'm teaching handwriting as well as computer writing.<br>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt'>OH. Are you talking about writing hands with the computer, that are at a Diagonal Forward or Back angle? That old symbol used a slash across the symbol...that is true. But I took that out of the official writing system in the ISWA 2008 and ISWA 2010, because no one was using them, and I know that people can construct them if they really want to use them. You<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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As you know, the dot represents the fingers coming towards the body in the back
diagonal position - I personally do not choose to write the Forward-Diagonal
and Back-Diagonal hand positions - I think the slash and the slash with the dot
were too confusing and the symbol is not used enough to warrant having it an
official symbol in the ISWA 2010 - we can write just fine, with choosing either
the Parallel to the Floor or Parallel to the Front Wall positions, and then if
there is a movement that goes Forward-Diagonal or Back-Diagonal, that we have,
that makes it clear ...so I personally would hesitate to put in so much
detail...but for research of course, it can be used and it is certainly your
choice if you feel it is necessary - > > If I were to use the slash as up
and out, I'd put it at the tip of the hand so I could conceivably write palm up
and and out, (slash at the tip) and palm up and back (dot on the tip). If you
put a dark circle above the tip, you squeeze the hand, and in the middle it
could be a thumb projecting. > > I will make this into a PDF so you see
what I mean from my lessons. It applies to every hand so that now you can show
all those 45 degree variants that are sometimes a real challenge to write. I'm
still experimenting. Wow. That is a great deal of detail. Sounds like you are
working very hard, and a very interesting project! Thanks for sharing with us,
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