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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Eda, Charles, everybody ... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I do not know whether I
got the idea. Do you try to send a SignWriting email but find problems to
achieve that? Do you you say Charles that you do not send signmail messages
directly from signpuddle, but work with a copy and paste method? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We do not have problems
to send signmails. SignPuddle is working fine to do that. What we cannot do is
to answer directly a message we got. So in order to cope with that we simply
start with a new first message. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We do that so many times
every day. The procedure is the almost like this: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Signpuddle dictionary -
translate – update – signmail – add the correct information
to the boxes and send. ;-) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It is part of our daily
homework at school. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Stefan ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on"><st1:PersonName w:st="on">SignWriting List</st1:PersonName>: Read and
Write Sign Languages</st1:PersonName> [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>Charles Butler<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Mittwoch, 12. Januar
2011 15:41<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: SignMail</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Sign Mail has a glitch. SignMail tem errados. Voce nao
faltar. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I know Valerie has this in the list of things to be
repaired, but it has to wait until the ISWA is fully loaded. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>My work around is to copy the mail, put it into PDF or JPG
and send it out by email in pieces. It is slow, but it works.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Eda
AMORim <edaamorim@HOTMAIL.COM><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wed, January 12, 2011
9:36:28 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: SignWriting
Handwriting and palm facing</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt'><font size=3 face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Ola, Valerie, Charles ,Erika,
Stefan, e todos da lista, tenho apreciado muito os comentários de vocês e
aprendido muito. Estou acompanhando as discussões, mas apenas desculpe-me por
não estar participando ativamente, mais pela dificuldade no inglês, mas
superarei isso. No que for possível estarei participando, e se for de alguma
ajuda estou a disposição.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt'><font size=3 face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Por favor, tentei enviar um email
em SW pelo site, sign pudle, mas não consegui, será que estou fazendo algo
errado? </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt'><font size=3 face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Obrigada</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt'><font size=3 face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Eda Amorim</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">Valerie</span></span><span
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:00:44 -0800<br>
From: sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG<br>
Subject: Re: SignWriting Handwriting and palm facing<br>
To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>SignWriting List</span></font></st1:PersonName><br>
January 11, 2011<br>
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Hello Charles -<br>
Thank you for this message...<br>
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On Jan 11, 2011, at 7:31 PM, Charles Butler wrote:<br>
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> No I use the slash for palm facing parallel to the floor in my teaching style. In one of the lessons he was using the slash across the palms for palm up and away or down and away (parallel to arrows). I'm teaching handwriting as well as computer writing.<br>
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OH. Are you talking about writing hands with the computer, that are at a Diagonal Forward or Back angle? That old symbol used a slash across the symbol...that is true. But I took that out of the official writing system in the ISWA 2008 and ISWA 2010, because no one was using them, and I know that people can construct them if they really want to use them. You<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> can write them by computer, by placing a line across symbols and finding the dot too...see attached diagram:<br>
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As you know, the dot represents the fingers coming towards the body in the back
diagonal position - I personally do not choose to write the Forward-Diagonal
and Back-Diagonal hand positions - I think the slash and the slash with the dot
were too confusing and the symbol is not used enough to warrant having it an
official symbol in the ISWA 2010 - we can write just fine, with choosing either
the Parallel to the Floor or Parallel to the Front Wall positions, and then if
there is a movement that goes Forward-Diagonal or Back-Diagonal, that we have,
that makes it clear ...so I personally would hesitate to put in so much
detail...but for research of course, it can be used and it is certainly your
choice if you feel it is necessary - > > If I were to use the slash as up
and out, I'd put it at the tip of the hand so I could conceivably write palm up
and and out, (slash at the tip) and palm up and back (dot on the tip). If you
put a dark circle above the tip, you squeeze the hand, and in the middle it
could be a thumb projecting. > > I will make this into a PDF so you see
what I mean from my lessons. It applies to every hand so that now you can show all
those 45 degree variants that are sometimes a real challenge to write. I'm
still experimenting. Wow. That is a great deal of detail. Sounds like you are
working very hard, and a very interesting project! Thanks for sharing with us,
Charles - Val ;-) Valerie Sutton <st1:PersonName w:st="on">SignWriting List</st1:PersonName>
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