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<DIV>It is one day at a time when one is learning to write in a signed language, we have so many things to do, and when you are doing consciously with a new writing system in one generation what others took thousands of years to develop, there will always be glitches.</DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wed, January 12, 2011 10:24:16 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> AW: SignMail<BR></FONT><BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB>I do not know whether I got the idea. Do you try to send a SignWriting email but find problems to achieve that? Do you you say Charles that you do not send signmail messages directly from signpuddle, but work with a copy and paste method? </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB>We do not have problems to send signmails. SignPuddle is working fine to do that. What we cannot do is to answer directly a message we got. So in order to cope with that we simply start with a new first message. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB>We do that so many times every day. The procedure is the almost like this: </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB>Signpuddle dictionary - translate – update – signmail – add the correct information to the boxes and send. ;-) </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB>It is part of our daily homework at school. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB>Stefan ;-)</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Von:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> SignWriting List : Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Im Auftrag von </SPAN></B>Charles Butler<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Gesendet:</SPAN></B> Mittwoch, 12. Januar 2011 15:41<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">An:</SPAN></B> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Betreff:</SPAN></B> Re: SignMail</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I know Valerie has this in the list of things to be repaired, but it has to wait until the ISWA is fully loaded. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Eda AMORim <edaamorim@HOTMAIL.COM><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wed, January 12, 2011 9:36:28 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: SignWriting Handwriting and palm facing</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face=Calibri><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Ola, Valerie, Charles ,Erika, Stefan, e todos da lista, tenho apreciado muito os comentários de vocês e aprendido muito. Estou acompanhando as discussões, mas apenas desculpe-me por não estar participando ativamente, mais pela dificuldade no inglês, mas superarei isso. No que for possível estarei participando, e se for de alguma ajuda estou a disposição.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face=Calibri><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Por favor, tentei enviar um email em SW pelo site, sign pudle, mas não consegui, será que estou fazendo algo errado? </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face=Calibri><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Eda Amorim</SPAN></FONT></P>
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Educação de Surdos<BR><BR> CENTRO EDUCACIONAL CULTURA SURDA LTDA.<BR>(11) 3416-7888 <BR>(11) 2626-4945<BR>(11) 9168-6761 <BR><A href="mailto:contato@cultursurda.com.br" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:contato@cultursurda.com.br">contato@cultursurda.com.br</A></SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT color=#0c0c0c><SPAN style="COLOR: #0c0c0c"><A href="http://www.culturasurda.com.br/" rel=nofollow target=_blank>www.culturasurda.com.br</A></SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT color=#0c0c0c><SPAN style="COLOR: #0c0c0c"> </SPAN></FONT><BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR><BR><BR><BR> <BR>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:00:44 -0800<BR>From: sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG<BR>Subject: Re: SignWriting Handwriting and palm facing<BR>To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU</SPAN></FONT></P><PRE><FONT size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">SignWriting List</SPAN></FONT><BR>
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Hello Charles -<BR>
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On Jan 11, 2011, at 7:31 PM, Charles Butler wrote:<BR>
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> No I use the slash for palm facing parallel to the floor in my teaching style. In one of the lessons he was using the slash across the palms for palm up and away or down and away (parallel to arrows). I'm teaching handwriting as well as computer writing.<BR>
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OH. Are you talking about writing hands with the computer, that are at a Diagonal Forward or Back angle? That old symbol used a slash across the symbol...that is true. But I took that out of the official writing system in the ISWA 2008 and ISWA 2010, because no one was using them, and I know that people can construct them if they really want to use them. You</PRE><PRE><FONT size=2 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> can write them by computer, by placing a line across symbols and finding the dot too...see attached diagram:<BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>As you know, the dot represents the fingers coming towards the body in the back diagonal position - I personally do not choose to write the Forward-Diagonal and Back-Diagonal hand positions - I think the slash and the slash with the dot were too confusing and the symbol is not used enough to warrant having it an official symbol in the ISWA 2010 - we can write just fine, with choosing either the Parallel to the Floor or Parallel to the Front Wall positions, and then if there is a movement that goes Forward-Diagonal or Back-Diagonal, that we have, that makes it clear ...so I personally would hesitate to put in so much detail...but for research of course, it can be used and it is certainly your choice if you feel it is necessary - > > If I were to use the slash as up and out, I'd put it at the tip of the hand so I could conceivably write palm up and and out,
(slash at the tip) and palm up and back (dot on the tip). If you put a dark circle above the tip, you squeeze the hand, and in the middle it could be a thumb projecting. > > I will make this into a PDF so you see what I mean from my lessons. It applies to every hand so that now you can show all those 45 degree variants that are sometimes a real challenge to write. I'm still experimenting. Wow. That is a great deal of detail. Sounds like you are working very hard, and a very interesting project! Thanks for sharing with us, Charles - Val ;-) Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton@signwriting.org Post Messages to the SignWriting List : sw-l@listserv.valenciacc.edu SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></div></body></html>