<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<div>February 6, 2011</div><div><br></div><div><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#205192"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(16, 146, 0); font-size: 14px; ">Note: Signs in these examples are written in Brazilian Sign Language (LIBRAS) and are from the book Novo Diet-Libras, Língua de Sinais Brasileira, Volume 1, Universidade de São Paulo; <a href="http://www.signwriting.org/brazil/NovoDeitLibras.html">http://www.signwriting.org/brazil/NovoDeitLibras.html</a></span></font></div></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#205192"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#205192"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#205192">---------</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#205192"><br></font></div><div><div><div><div style="color: rgb(32, 81, 146); "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#109200" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; ">...continued from previous email February 6, 2011....</span></font></div></div></div></div><div style="color: rgb(32, 81, 146); "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#109200" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><br></span></font></div><div style="color: rgb(32, 81, 146); "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#109200" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium; "><br></span></span></font></div><div style="color: rgb(32, 81, 146); "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#109200" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 22px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(16, 146, 0); ">SEE INSTRUCTION BELOW...</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 22px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 22px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Helvetica; ">…so this sign in LIBRAS from Brazil…</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 22px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><img height="97" width="144" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" id="7bd9a555-d1fb-48e8-a286-a7dbd3bae850" src="cid:D14F8D9B-6AA7-4DA6-9E7D-44086BA1E030"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px; "><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-family: Arial; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px; ">which is based on this illustration on page 359 of Novo Diet-Libras…(such an amazing book ;-)</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-family: Arial; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px; "><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-family: Arial; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px; "><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-family: Arial; font-size: medium; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px; "><img height="118" width="274" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" id="ef0f7188-ca95-420d-9516-27d542255541" src="cid:81E4856E-5CA1-4639-8784-AF7CA64F5906"></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px; "><br></span></font></div></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 22px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 22px; ">...is correctly written like this....</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 22px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 22px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 22px; "><img height="97" width="184" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" id="f1592cc4-1f00-44dd-baf5-d134a8663936" src="cid:4B490823-BCFD-42DC-A5A2-D709E235EACC"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 22px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 22px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 22px; ">OR....I would delete the Alternating Symbol (the symbol with the double curve under the movement in the first part of the sign). There is nothing wrong with writing the Alternating Symbol because it does alternate, but it is double information, since the alternating movement is already "built into" the writing system. When reading the movement, the reader always reads the arrows that are closest to the center first, so the reader will automatically read that the right hand goes down at the same time that the left hand moves up, which gives the information of "alternating". See below:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 22px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 22px; "><img height="138" width="285" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" id="c0550e6c-f4f2-41d1-bfac-5c237d646899" src="cid:460F0C5D-71AC-4B7D-B750-BD1BB1057FF0"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 22px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 22px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 22px; ">The simpler the writing, the better it is for daily use. Another way to simplify the writing, is to delete the thumbs sticking out to the side of the flat hands in the first section of the sign. Just have a basic flat hand with no thumbs. If the thumbs are needed for linguistic reasons, of course keep them, but the illustration does not show the thumbs out strongly.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 22px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 22px; ">I hope these editing lessons are helpful to all of you -</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 22px; "><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium; "><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium; "><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(16, 146, 0); font-size: 14px; "><br></span></div><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: medium; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#109200" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">I will continue ;-)</span></font></span></font></div></div></div></div></span></font></div></span></span></font></div></div><br><br><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div>Val ;-)<br><br>Valerie Sutton<br>SignWriting List moderator<br><a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">sutton@signwriting.org</a><br><br>Post Messages to the SignWriting List:<br><a href="mailto:sw-l@listserv.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@listserv.valenciacc.edu</a><br><br>SignWriting List Archives & Home Page<br><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist</a><br><br>Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages<br><a href="http://listserv.valenciacc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1">http://listserv.valenciacc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1</a></div><div><br></div></span></div></body></html>