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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00 size=6 face=Arial>Hi Stefan and
everyone,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=6 face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00 size=6 face=Arial> Just
curious. Do you have a chart with a photo for Woehrmann's
speechwriting? If so, I would like to get it.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=6 face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=6 face=Arial>Best regards,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=6 face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00 size=6 face=Arial>
André</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG href="mailto:sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG">Valerie
Sutton</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU
href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 13, 2011 9:45
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Last questions: Is there a
SpeechWriting symbol puddle? Where? What are the languages that have been
written down in SpeechWriting? Can we have access to the SpeechWriting symbols
used?</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00 size=6
face=Arial></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT size=6
face=Arial></FONT></STRONG><BR></DIV>SignWriting List
<DIV>February 12, 2011</DIV>
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<DIV>Hello Fernando!</DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00 size=6
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<DIV>Please tell us that you received the private messages from Stefan to you.
He attached and sent you his terrific chart for Woehrmann's SpeechWriting,
which includes the symbols of the IPA...it is not on the web...he just sent it
to you privately...</DIV>
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face=Arial></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT size=6
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<DIV>Stefan is waiting to hear from you!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Did you receive his messages?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>THANK YOU, Stefan, for your quick response to Fernando's request
yesterday, and for your expanded work on SpeechWriting.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Stefan's work is broad and covers three aspects of mouth and facial
movements - 1. SpeechWriting 2. Mouthing words while signing and
3. using SignWriting Facial Expressions to write Deaf storytelling -
three different aspects.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>So please write to Stefan privately, Fernando, and you will get all the
information you need -</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Yes...Stefan has used SpeechWriting to write Polish, Japanese and other
spoken languages, which he just explained here on the List last night about
visiting Poland last week and it worked for Polish...and he can come to
Brazil, to teach you all how to write Portuguese spoken language in
SpeechWriting too...if you have the funding...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>We do not have a SignPuddle specifically for SpeechWriting, but we could
maybe develop it, with Stefan's permission and help - but that is for the
future ;-)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Val ;-)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>-----------</DIV>
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<DIV>On Feb 12, 2011, at 2:41 PM, fernando capovilla wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV>Hello Valerie,</DIV>
<DIV>Sorry for writing so much. I just want to know how much work has been
put into SpeechWriting so far. I mean: I am trying to adapt it to
Portuguese, and I realize I need a large amount of additional SpeechWriting
symbols before I can go on. I would like to know where can I find them. Even
if there is still no IPA indexed SpeechWriting symbol databank ou puddle, in
case SpeechWriting has been already used to write down different languages,
I may adapt and make good progress. In the meantime, I am trying to
learn as much as I can with the little there is available so far.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In this page:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A
href="http://www.gebaerdenschrift.de/read/Mundbilder/uebersicht_mundbilder.htm#%C3%9Cbersicht">http://www.gebaerdenschrift.de/read/Mundbilder/uebersicht_mundbilder.htm#Übersicht</A>
Mundbilder</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>we find a large difference in SpeechWriting symbols of U between:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000af size=+3>U</FONT><FONT size=+3>hr, die</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>and</DIV>
<P><FONT color=#0000af size=+3>U</FONT><FONT size=+3>hu, der</FONT> </P>
<DIV>There is an IPA difference, certaily, that might be mapped easily using
this table of IPA to German:</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_German">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_German</A></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P>But I am not familiar with the pronunciation. That is why a table
IPA-Viseme-Grapheme-SpeechWriting is so important.</P>
<DIV>I have come to a halt in a stalemate. I need to find an
online German dictionary with IPA transcription before I can go on.
I'll look for that. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Benjamin Franklin in 1779 was the first one to feel the need for the
IPA and the first one to devise a system for doing that. In 1886
the linguist and phonetician Paul Eduoard Passy embraced the cause and
completed the IPA. </DIV>
<DIV>In 2011, once more, we come to realize those fine men had very good
reasons for doing what they did. (grin) We do need IPA as an anchor to begin
working on SpeechWriting, that is if SpeechWriting is to develop in the
immediate future. If we are to embrace this cause we would need
cooperationin that regard. So, my last question before I postpone
indefinitely working on that is: Is there a broader, more complete and
comprehensive set of SpeechWriting Symbols, in addition to those
in:</DIV>
<DIV><A
href="http://www.gebaerdenschrift.de/read/Mundbilder/uebersicht_mundbilder.htm#%C3%9Cbersicht">http://www.gebaerdenschrift.de/read/Mundbilder/uebersicht_mundbilder.htm#Übersicht</A>
Mundbilder</DIV>
<DIV>or all those all there is available? That is: Have there been efforts
in SpeechWriting idioms other than just German?</DIV>
<DIV>If those efforts have already occurred, then there must be a datank of
SpeechWriting symbols that may be used to write down different spoken
idioms, such as Portuguese.</DIV>
<DIV>So my 4 last questions are:</DIV>
<DIV>1) Is there a datank of SpeechWriting symbols developed to be used
to write down different spoken languages other than German?</DIV>
<DIV>2) In case there is, where could we find it?</DIV>
<DIV>3) What are the languages that have been written down in
SpeechWriting?</DIV>
<DIV>4) Where can we find the SpeechWriting symbols they used to write down
those languages?</DIV>
<DIV>In case such a puddle does not exist yet, in case no language other
than German has been written down with SpeechWriting symbols yet,
then it would become clear that the IPA-indexed SpeechWriting symbol
development enterprise would be the way to follow. But in that case, there
would be a long, long road ahead of us.</DIV>
<DIV>Thank you very much.</DIV>
<DIV>Fernando</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>2011/2/12 fernando capovilla <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:fcapovilla3@gmail.com">fcapovilla3@gmail.com</A>></SPAN><BR>
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<DIV>Dear Valerie,</DIV>
<DIV>I tried to go through the pages you ent me but unfortunately the link
appears to be broken:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I clicked in: </DIV><A href="http://www.signwriting.org/germany/"
target=_blank>http://www.signwriting.org/germany/</A>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>But could not have access to the much desired page:
</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#cc9900 size=6><STRONG>9</STRONG></FONT><FONT
face=Arial><BR></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial><A
href="http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs2/sw0124-DE-Mundbildschrift.pdf"
target=_blank><STRONG>Mundbildschrift</STRONG></A></FONT><BR><FONT
color=#00cc33 size=-1 face=Arial><STRONG>Write German
Speech</STRONG></FONT></DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#00cc33></FONT></STRONG>
<DIV><BR>I could not have access to:</DIV>
<DIV>archive docs2 sw0124 Mundbild Schrift site:<A
href="http://www.signwriting.org/"
target=_blank>www.signwriting.org</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>All the other links to all the other pages you mentioned
are ok. But the one I really needed (SpeechWriting) is off the air
right now. In the meantime I will keep on working in adapting
SpeechWriting to Portuguese.<BR>Do you think people for the linguistic
forum might be interested in working on that quest for an IPA-indexed
table of correspondences among units of: IPA, Visemes (pics),
SpeechWriting, Graphemes? </DIV>
<DIV>Again, thank you so very much.</DIV>
<DIV>Fernando</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>