<html><head><base href="x-msg://39/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div></div><div><br></div><div>I know there are other theories on this issue too, and I am open and interested in all of them -</div><div><br></div><div>I hope this has helped, Honza, and thank you once again, Charles -</div><div><br></div><div>Honza...do you know how to create your own SignSpelling Sequences in SignPuddle? Did you know you can establish your own theories and sort as you wish and test your own theories directly using SignPuddle software? If you want to learn how to use the software to do this, write again -</div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>-------</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>On Feb 14, 2011, at 5:24 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Honza, here is the article I was telling you about. This orders by handshape, then movement, then speed, then facial expression.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Within handshape, it is by orientation, then rotation. </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs1/sw0066-SW-Journal-Butler.pdf">http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs1/sw0066-SW-Journal-Butler.pdf</a></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>-------</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Feb 14, 2011, at 3:32 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Dear Honza,</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I wrote you back extensively.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">If you go to the SignPuddle and press "search by symbol", you will get a default order by either handshape, movement, or facial expression.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Using handshape as the primary, I order by handshape by using the ordering portion of the signpuddle in each sign. This is a manual process so you can choose what order you want the "Sign Spelling" to appear in.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">If you press symbol frequency, all the signs come up by use of handshape, and whatever order YOU have imposed. </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I am working on the Brazilian and Ethiopian signpuddles to ensure a uniformity of sign order. </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Valerie should have a link to the order I worked with in Brazil in 2001, which is the only one that I have seen that has been documented down to the movement level. This entire field is brand new so you have every right to work with your deaf population and discover what best works for you.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Valerie's system and mine are very close. </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">She can put my link on line to you with my 10 page paper on ordering signs.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Charles Butler</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Honza <<a href="mailto:honza@RUCE.CZ">honza@RUCE.CZ</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU</a><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mon, February 14, 2011 5:24:57 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: how to order sign in SL dictionary<br></font><br>Hello everyone.<br><br>I haven't got any response. Does not anyone have any experience with this task?<br>thanks<br><br>Honza<br><br><div class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Honza<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:honza@ruce.cz" target="_blank" href="mailto:honza@ruce.cz">honza@ruce.cz</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex; ">Hello everyone,<br><br>I wonder how to order signs in SL dictionary in the part SL to spoken language.<br>In spoken language it is common to order signs in order of alphabeth, but what about the another direction?<br>In this part SL to spoken language it is common to order signs by hanshapes, but in which order?<br>Does anybody have any experineces with this order? I know that in US it is used number order (as groups in SignPuddle).<br><br>thanks for your advices.<br><font color="#888888">Honza, Czech Republic<br></font></blockquote></div><br></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; position: fixed; "></div></div></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>