<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<div>March 7, 2011</div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 7, 2011, at 1:34 AM, Ingvild Roald wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; ">Of the symbols in the grid, the movements in row 3 and 7 from the top are larger than the others - isn't that right? Not just a small 'flip' but a turning? For example, the second and the third row start at the same posistion but end up differently, while the third and the forth row start differently and end up the same.<br>Ingvild<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></blockquote></div><br></div><div>Hello Ingvild!</div><div><br></div><div>I assume you are referring to this attached diagram, captured from SignMaker in SignPuddle, which shows the grid of the Rotation Symbols in the International SignWriting Alphabet 2008 and 2010:</div><div><br></div><div><img height="490" width="192" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" id="77175a25-f15f-4c1a-a0a0-aa68963626f8" src="cid:2019CC27-541B-4363-9E5B-A846E479768C"></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>The symbols in Rows 3 and 7 certainly do look bigger and paint a bigger path...that is true. And most of the time they are used that way too. They are the rotations that paint the curve or twist Side-Forward-Side, or Side-Back-Side...so there are three directions to the twist, while the symbols in the first row, for example, are just Forward-Side, so they are shorter - that is true.</div><div><br></div><div>Over time, in daily writing, it has become more relaxed - I am not sure if every writer really measures exactly the path of the baby finger or thumb, but generally it is correct to say that the symbols were designed the way you have described, Ingvild...Thank you for bring this up...</div><div><br></div><div>But there are new symbols in this grid that were never a part of the SignWriting software in 2004 or earlier, and those are the Corner Rotations...those are Rows 2, 4, 6 and 8 - those are symbols showing a smaller rotation or twist...not as large as Rows 3 and 7...and the Corner Rotations are new since ISWA 2008, which we are using in SignPuddle right now... The Corner Rotations are not meant to start as far side as the symbols in Rows 3 and 7 do...smile...The are smaller twists that hit the corners... I do not know how many people use these!</div><br>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div>Val ;-)<br><br>Valerie Sutton<br>SignWriting List moderator<br><a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">sutton@signwriting.org</a><br><br>Post Messages to the SignWriting List:<br>sw-l@listserv.valenciacc.edu<br><br>SignWriting List Archives & Home Page<br>http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist<br><br>Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages<br>http://listserv.valenciacc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1</div></span></div></body></html>