<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>I'm going to fix these, as the arrows are not working in any of the posted listings on the LIBRAS sign puddle.</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Charles</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Charles Butler <chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, June 2, 2011 3:22 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Query on SignWriting - I believe this is an error.<br></font><br>
<div id="yiv1461183576"><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><div style=""><span style="">I agree, the simultaneous lines tend to be confusing, but part of it is to ensure that they start at opposite points on the wheel (like a bicycle) and move forward. I've send this to Fernando Capovilla to check as well, as the dictionary citation seems to show movement forward (as you have written.<var id="yiv1461183576yui-ie-cursor"></var></span></div>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">From:</span></b> Adam Frost <frost@SIGNWRITING.ORG><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">To:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, June 2, 2011 3:12 PM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Query on SignWriting - I believe this is an error.<br></font><br>
<div id="yiv1461183576">I just notice that this is not going to the list for some reason. It looks as though the reply feature is not going to the list like it used to. Hmm...
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<div>On Jun 2, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Adam Frost wrote:</div><br class="yiv1461183576Apple-interchange-newline">
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<div style="WORD-WRAP:break-word;">The alternating time symbols is basically saying that while both hands move on the same path, they start on the opposite ends. So the way that you have it written could work if both arrows were moving in the same directions. It still seems you have both on the same path starting on opposite ends, but going in the opposite directions. You actually don't need to have the timing symbols at all if you have the movement arrows correct. I also think it gets more confusing when you try to make it so that it works with the timing symbols, so I would personally write it this way:
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<div>On Jun 2, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br class="yiv1461183576Apple-interchange-newline">
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<div><span><img border="0" src="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/image.php?build=01-06-013-01-01-02,123,98,01-06-013-01-01-10,101,108,02-10-004-01-01-13,154,99,02-10-004-01-02-09,84,117,05-01-004-02-01-05,121,138,&size=1&color=000000&colorize=0&background=ffffff&transparent=0&pixels=0&bounding=t"> How about this? <var id="yiv1461183576yui-ie-cursor"></var><br class="yiv1461183576yui-cursor"></span></div>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">From:</span></b> Adam Frost <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">To:</span></b> Charles Butler <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, June 2, 2011 2:20 PM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Query on SignWriting - I believe this is an error.<br></font><br>
<div id="yiv1461183576">Actually I can not perform either movements because the left hand is moving, from close, up and outward while the right hand is moving, from far, up and inward. So I would see it as either of the two following whether the alternating time symbol or the same time symbol is used.
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<div>The timing symbols that you purposed is actually where one hand moves while the other rests, so to speak, which isn't what was done in the video.</div>
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<div>On Jun 2, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br class="yiv1461183576Apple-interchange-newline">
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<div><span><img border="0" src="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/image.php?build=01-06-013-01-01-02,124,99,01-06-013-01-01-10,102,109,02-10-004-01-04-01,149,111,02-10-004-01-02-01,90,121,05-01-004-02-01-05,122,139,&size=1&color=000000&colorize=0&background=ffffff&transparent=0&pixels=0&bounding=t"> This is the sign for Brincadeira (toy) in Libras (according to the writing on SignPuddle)</span></div>
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<div><span>http://www.acessobrasil.org.br/libras/ (if one looks up brincadeira on this public LIBRAS website, the simultaneous line, I believe to be wrong. </span></div>
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<div><span><img border="0" src="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/image.php?build=01-06-013-01-01-02,123,98,01-06-013-01-01-10,101,108,02-10-004-01-04-01,148,110,02-10-004-01-02-01,89,120,05-01-004-03-01-05,117,137,&size=1&color=000000&colorize=0&background=ffffff&transparent=0&pixels=0&bounding=t"> I have added brincadeira with alternating motion to the SignPuddle. I believe the other two signs need to be corrected. Note the hands move one and then the other, like a bicycle, not a rowboat. The difference is the simultaneous line.</span></div>
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