<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I am going to try and see if I can answer your question, Charles, because Valerie is very busy these past few days tending to her mother. So, if I understand your question correctly, you are asking how can you write clearly, for example, if the right hand is facing outward to the right and make sure that it isn't mistaken for the left hand. Is that correct?<div><br></div><div>Since it is something that is rare in ASL at least, it is understandable that it can be confusing. I do know of a sign in Bangkok Sign Language that has such and extreme orientation of the hand, but I just can't remember the mean of the sign at the moment. ;-) The first writing is probably what your question is about how does one know if it is the left hand or the right hand with an extreme orientation. </div><div><p><img src="http://www.signbank.org/swis/glyphogram.php?bsw=0fb2ff38c3924f550515a38d39a5014f5&size=1&line=000000&fill=FFFFFF&back=FFFFFF&name=0fb2ff38c3924f550515a38d39a5014f5"></p></div><div>The way that I would write it so that it would be more clear is by adding the arm line to it.</div><div><p><img src="http://www.signbank.org/swis/glyphogram.php?bsw=0fb2ff38c3924f750615a38d39a5034f537938c394508510&size=1&line=000000&fill=FFFFFF&back=FFFFFF&name=0fb2ff38c3924f750615a38d39a5034f537938c394508510"></p></div><div>However, I wouldn't be surprised if the earlier writing would be used because it is a sign that is known in Bangkok Sign Language. However, if it were an unusual occurrence that needs clarification, I believe the latter would be suffice. </div><div><br></div><div>I hope this help. If you have more questions, feel free to ask. :-)</div><div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On Jun 10, 2011, at 8:35 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Valerie, I am really confused here. </span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Please write the right hand with the palm facing right with a thumb attached. Then write the same right hand with the palm facing left with a thumb attached. </span></div><div><span>Then write the left hand with the palm facing left with a thumb attached. Then write the same left hand with the palm facing left with a thumb attached.</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>How does one tell the extreme rotation from the regular rotation of the hand? The left and the right hand are mirror image of each other but the thumb is on the opposite side. </span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Please show
this.</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Charles</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG">sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU</a><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, December 7, 2010 11:58 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: QUESTION...Palm facing fingers pointing down<br></font><br>
SignWriting List<br>December 7, 2010<br><br>Hello Andre and everyone -<br><br>First, the 8 rotations clockwise, and the 8 flopped hands that rotate counter-clockwise, do not represent right or left hands. They are simply every possible rotation and flop in SignWriting, for you to choose from - but sometimes they are right hands and sometimes they are left hands -<br><br>The hands at the top that point up, are right and left...but as the rotations move down towards the bottom, it can switch - Here is a new diagram explaining this. I have to go to an appointment, but later today I will answer your question about how to write the positions you showed us in the photos -<br><br>Please see my attached diagram...<br><br><img id="a4c35501-705d-4fc6-bfbe-c62f7836ac58" height="676" width="720" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:1.4179418156@web125701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com"><br><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>