<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div>I have the dictionary (A-H) and so sometimes I have the original line drawings which I have to reverse to expressive sign. Since the people at the University of Sao Paulo have the dictionaries I am trying to order them as they load them, and occasionally run across this particular error.<br><br>Charles<br><br></div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Adam Frost <icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tue, June 14, 2011 9:03:37 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight:
bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Help on movement away from the chest<br></font><br>
<base>Oh, I misunderstood. I thought that you had said the hand was moving back to the chest. In that case, then you wrote it well. :-)<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 14, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;orphans:2;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium;"><div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;">The movement is "forward" which is UP the page in writing, not toward the chest. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>I'm looking at the drawing in the dictionary and the movement is away from the body, so
from the drawing, is a single arrow moving out from the chest with tension. Yours is still hitting my body. The hand starts touching the chest and punches away, which is UP the page, not DOWN the page.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Charles<br><br><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><br><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;font-family:times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Adam Frost <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank" href="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM">icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM</a>><br><b><span
style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tue, June 14, 2011 7:20:44 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Help on movement away from the chest<br></font><br>I looked at your alt, which looks good except it is still punching from the back. ;-) How's this?<div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;"><img
src="http://www.signbank.org/swis/glyphogram.php?bsw=0fb34d38c3925214f536d38c39251d51b20638c39251a54120339139451d52d26a38c3964f552d2f938c3924f65232f938c3925045230fd20339139436d38c39220638c39226a38c3962f938c3922f938c39234d38c392&size=1&line=000000&fill=FFFFFF&back=FFFFFF&name=0fb34d38c3925214f536d38c39251d51b20638c39251a54120339139451d52d26a38c3964f552d2f938c3924f65232f938c3925045230fd20339139436d38c39220638c39226a38c3962f938c3922f938c39234d38c392"></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;">Adam</div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;"><br><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;"><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;">On Jun 14, 2011, at 4:05 PM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br
class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;"><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;"><img src="data:image/png;base64,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" alt=""><br>Please look at
Bater (5) in Libras (Brazilian Sign Language). I can't read this. It looks as if the person is punching themselves in the chest from the back. I'd like to write this differently to be able to show essentially punching with tension twice so that it is clear.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>See my alternative Bater(5) (alt) and tell me if this is better.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><br><br>Charles<br><br><br><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div>
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