<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Thank you Valerie for your excellent explanation. As long as glyphs are understood as approximations and that for some the rotations and reflections may be interpreted in opposite fashion, then we have a working system.<div><br></div><div>Charles</div><div><br><br>--- On <b>Thu, 9/15/11, Charles Butler <i><chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Charles Butler <chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM><br>Subject: Re: Query on handshapes<br>To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>Date: Thursday, September 15, 2011, 11:02 PM<br><br><div id="yiv1660541739"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit;">The problem I see with adding a new handshape, or "writing what I see" is that in indexing, the SW 2010
system, if indexed by handshape, would show my writing of what I see as the right hand on the clown face, if indexed by the system, would be listed as a left hand in the actual coding. <div><br></div><div>If I were to do a one-to-one correspondence in a verbal system such as Sign Text, we'd get opposite hands connected to the same face and handshape, requiring individual editing, not a clear data merge. </div><div><br></div><div>How can this be resolved? I'm thinking of this on a programming basis. What I write as a "right" hand is seen by the numbering of the coding as a "left" hand. </div><div><br></div><div>Although it has been stated that each of us are free to use the system as we wish, the actual encoding of the SW 2010 presumes that one
writing is preferred, and will be interpreted, if indexed by the system, as correct. We both can't write the same sign with opposite hands and have them interpreted by the same system as meaning the same thing.</div><div><br></div><div>Charles Butler</div><div><br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 9/14/11, Charles Butler <i><chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;"><br>From: Charles Butler <chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM><br>Subject: Re: AW: Three-claw solution<br>To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>Date: Wednesday, September 14, 2011, 3:37 PM<br><br><div id="yiv1660541739"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit;">I'm trying to see a way that it is very clear for all handshapes for three claws going face forward. This is claws, not bent fingers. No one seems to be objecting to completely bent
fingers, it's these claw hands that seem to be giving people woogies.<div><br></div><div>Charles</div><div><br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 9/14/11, Stefan Wöhrmann <i><stefanwoehrmann@GOOGLEMAIL.COM></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;"><br>From: Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann@GOOGLEMAIL.COM><br>Subject: AW: Three-claw solution<br>To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>Date: Wednesday, September 14, 2011, 3:12 PM<br><br><div id="yiv1660541739">
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<p class="yiv1660541739MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;">Hi Charles, </span></font></p>
<p class="yiv1660541739MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;">I do not understand your
intention. There is no need for any additional symbol ... The three claw hand
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List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Im Auftrag von </span></b>Charles Butler<br>
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circle spot for straight fingers pointing forward. I propose a square spot or
box for curves going forward for the flat hand. The square is to show the
nail of the hand. If the curves go left or right, they are drawn that way,
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