<html><head><base href="x-msg://124/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<div>September 29, 2011</div><div><br></div><div>Hello Stefan -</div><div>Thanks for this message - You have been on my mind lately...perhaps you knew that? smile...</div><div><br></div><div>See my answer below your message...</div><div><br></div><div>-------</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 29, 2011, at 1:43 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="DE" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="Section1" style="page: Section1; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "><img width="128" height="62" id="_x0000_i1025" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:image002.jpg@01CC7EF9.3E74F2F0"><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">Hi Valerie,<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">looking at old hand shape designs I noticed that there have been made some changes in the actual version. I prefer very much the “original” as printed in your “Lessons in SignWriting” page 44 – showing thumb and fingers at opposite directions if the fingers are bent at the Middle Joint – as it can be seen in the right symbol looking at the back of the hand.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">Stefan<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div><div><br></div><div>---------</div><div><br></div><div>Yes...The change you notice above has been in SignPuddle since 2008....starting with the ISWA 2008...so it has been 3 years now, that the symbols have been like this in SignPuddle...below is a screen capture from the ISWA 2010... The ISWA 2008 and 2010 are the same in this regard... (continued below)... these are the "in-directed palm facings" of the 10 palm facings... I am working on creating charts but I am not ready yet...</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><img height="303" width="870" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" id="58a48dc5-0f90-4ec8-9c00-a6c370dc91d4" src="cid:6A529B04-02E2-4D91-BC11-C58B92D39588"></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>But in the old SignWriter DOS program, it is as you say above, like you prefer it - a mixture - some are in-directed and some are out-directed - and the page you bring up in the Lessons in SignWriting Textbook, is I believe on page 54, not page 44...I have attached a screen capture of page 54 below, with my comment next to it - This is the very problem - Writers, when they write by hand, write all 10 palm facings - I have seen it time and time again here - but our software...SignWriter for the Apple //e and //c and SignWriter DOS back in the mid-1980's...was a very small program with very little memory...and we could not have so many symbols because there was not enough memory...so we had to choose only 6 palm facings from the 10 palm facings - and I chose inconsistently and regret it to this day (smile)...so in time I hope to clean up my old textbook too...smile...</div><div><br></div><div>Meanwhile, of course go ahead and use any of the 10 palm facings just as our writers do - in your TrueType fonts and in SignWriter DOS you have them already constructed the way you like them I assume - but they will have to be constructed in SignPuddle the way you like them - I am sorry about that - but they can be constructed fairly easily -</div><div><br></div><div>Software is not perfect and nor am I, obviously! (grin ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Since we are working with 6 palm facings in computers, I tried to at least be consistent in the ISWA 2008 and ISWA 2010 -</div><div><br></div><div>Please see the attached diagram below from the old Lessons in SignWriting Textbook which was written between 1995 and 2002...</div><div><br></div><div>And please know I am happy with however you choose to write - it is all a great blessing for the world - I love your writing and look at it everyday with admiration - Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div><img height="777" width="864" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" id="0ecd83f0-335e-4eca-969d-45183fe51f92" src="cid:BC0B2380-9B46-4291-8AC9-4F9AB619CF0F"></div></body></html>