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style="FONT-SIZE: 26pt">Hi Val and everyone,<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 26pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 26pt"> Stefan brought up in the Lessons in
SignWriting Textbook on page 54.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 26pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 26pt"> You worte: <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>…..- but they will have to be constructed
in SignPuddle the way you like them - I am sorry about that - but they can be
constructed fairly easily -.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 26pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 26pt"><SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>Using SignPuddle 1.6 (ISWA 2010), I would like you to show me how to
construct “5 fingers bent at the middle joint” (white palm facing) (Parkhust
rule).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 26pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 26pt">Regards<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 26pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 26pt">André <o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG href="mailto:sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG">Valerie
Sutton</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 29, 2011 6:44
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Bent - 5 hand</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>SignWriting List
<DIV>September 29, 2011</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Hello Stefan -</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for this message - You have been on my mind lately...perhaps you
knew that? smile...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>See my answer below your message...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>-------</DIV>
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<DIV>On Sep 29, 2011, at 1:43 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:</DIV><BR
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style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><FONT
size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><FONT
size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi
Valerie,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><FONT
size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>looking at old hand shape designs I noticed that there have been
made some changes in the actual version. I prefer very much the “original”
as printed in your “Lessons in SignWriting” page 44 – showing thumb and
fingers at opposite directions if the fingers are bent at the Middle Joint –
as it can be seen in the right symbol looking at the back of the
hand.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Stefan<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Yes...The change you notice above has been in SignPuddle since
2008....starting with the ISWA 2008...so it has been 3 years now, that the
symbols have been like this in SignPuddle...below is a screen capture from the
ISWA 2010... The ISWA 2008 and 2010 are the same in this regard... (continued
below)... these are the "in-directed palm facings" of the 10 palm facings... I
am working on creating charts but I am not ready yet...</DIV>
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<DIV>But in the old SignWriter DOS program, it is as you say above, like you
prefer it - a mixture - some are in-directed and some are out-directed - and
the page you bring up in the Lessons in SignWriting Textbook, is I believe on
page 54, not page 44...I have attached a screen capture of page 54 below, with
my comment next to it - This is the very problem - Writers, when they write by
hand, write all 10 palm facings - I have seen it time and time again here -
but our software...SignWriter for the Apple //e and //c and SignWriter DOS
back in the mid-1980's...was a very small program with very little
memory...and we could not have so many symbols because there was not enough
memory...so we had to choose only 6 palm facings from the 10 palm facings -
and I chose inconsistently and regret it to this day (smile)...so in time I
hope to clean up my old textbook too...smile...</DIV>
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<DIV>Meanwhile, of course go ahead and use any of the 10 palm facings just as
our writers do - in your TrueType fonts and in SignWriter DOS you have them
already constructed the way you like them I assume - but they will have to be
constructed in SignPuddle the way you like them - I am sorry about that - but
they can be constructed fairly easily -</DIV>
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<DIV>Software is not perfect and nor am I, obviously! (grin ;-)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Since we are working with 6 palm facings in computers, I tried to at
least be consistent in the ISWA 2008 and ISWA 2010 -</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Please see the attached diagram below from the old Lessons in SignWriting
Textbook which was written between 1995 and 2002...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>And please know I am happy with however you choose to write - it is all a
great blessing for the world - I love your writing and look at it everyday
with admiration - Val ;-)</DIV>
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