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On 08/10/2011 1:45 PM, Steve Slevinski wrote:
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Hi Jonathan,<br>
<br>
Thanks for the comments. FYI, I will not be changing the .spml
files. These files will be available as a custom export. It will
take several seconds to create.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
OK that's good to know.<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:4E90A849.8080904@signpuddle.net" type="cite">
On 10/7/11 12:03 PM, Jonathan wrote:
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Hi Steve,<br>
I don't remember why you want to use a string in the XML
file for the signs. </blockquote>
Speed, portability, and simplicity. I just completed my proof of
concept for fuzzy searching. From a 3 MB file with over 10
thousand signs, I can get accurate search results in less than 1
second. I am using Regular Expressions to process ASCII
characters. Next week, I'll write about fuzzy searching, with the
appropriate links for the proof of concept.<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:4E8F30DE.4090309@yahoo.ca" type="cite">Wouldn't
building everything out of XML be easier to work with? </blockquote>
Yes and no. Yes, because XML offers organization and
portability. No, because XML has a lot of overhead and gotchas.
The libraries take time to process text. Not all libraries work
the same or support the same feature set. I think XML is too
robust for simple text processing.<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:4E8F30DE.4090309@yahoo.ca" type="cite">Many
libraries can parse XML back to objects or save to a database to
do calculations and searches on. My feeling is that XML and
what's in it should be primarily for transporting data. </blockquote>
Can you show me an example of the type of XML you'd want to use
for an individual sign?<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
I was thinking of something a little like <br>
<br>
<entry id="3" cdt="1172438877" mdt="1218173289" usr="admin"><br>
<sign align="left" maxx="23" maxy="37"><br>
<symbol x="1" y="7">���</symbol><br>
<symbol x="-22" y="7">���</symbol><br>
<symbol x="-2" y="-38">���</symbol><br>
<sequence><br>
<seqsymbol pos="1">���</seqsymbol><br>
<seqsymbol pos="2">���</seqsymbol><br>
<seqsymbol pos="3">���</seqsymbol><br>
</sequence><br>
</sign><br>
<term>DELAY</term><br>
<text>Delay, postpone, move forward in time</text><br>
<src>So and So</src><br>
</entry><br>
<br>
This way the only thing that has to have special code to parse is
the 3 character Unicode string. I would have to look into it a
little deeper for agreeing on a final XML. I think it would be
easier for programmers to use being that there is less parsing to do
and can use regular XML parsing tools to get at the information.<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:4E8F30DE.4090309@yahoo.ca" type="cite">In my
personal opinion, information that is one piece in itself
shouldn't be concatenated with other data and then have to do
special parsing to get a specific part of it.</blockquote>
I can understand the logic and agree in part. For me, sign text
should be like regular text. This means spaces separate words.
For me, each word is a piece unto itself and should be
concatenated without spaces or punctuation because it is a unit.<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:4E8F30DE.4090309@yahoo.ca" type="cite"> So I
don't really like the 6 digits you are proposing below. </blockquote>
You can continue to use the premilinary Unicode strings if you
prefer. I've found that the ASCII version can be processed 4
times faster or more. The ASCII regular expressions as always
consistent, but the Unicode uses 3 different strings based on the
encoding form of UTF-8, UTF-16, and UTF-24.<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:4E8F30DE.4090309@yahoo.ca" type="cite">But
if we are going to have to parse it then at least make it easy
to distinguish the parts. It think that if you are going to
keep the string notation then, maybe the information should be
enclosed within an identifying symbols. Something like<br>
<br>
for the coordinates (41,60), (-18,-18) and (11,-23)<br>
</blockquote>
Commas and parenthesis add punctuation to the string causing many
unusual side effects and increase the possibility of a broken
string.<br>
<br>
I do agree with your point. The current coordinate notation is
sloppy. I've employed a simple fix. I add 500 to each value.
This means coordinates will always be 7 characters long: 3 for the
X value, 1 for the separating value, and 3 for the Y value. <br>
<br>
The coordinate (41,60) becomes 541x560. The coordinate (-18,-18)
becomes 482x482. I was not planning to update the preliminary
Unicode version with the new coordinate strings unless someone
requested it. So for the .spml files, I'm not planning any
changes.<br>
</blockquote>
Yes I like it much better with the x in the middle.<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:4E90A849.8080904@signpuddle.net" type="cite">
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:4E8F30DE.4090309@yahoo.ca" type="cite"> What
about C for coodinate, then the X or Y value + 500 to get the
the Unicode point value. One Unicode character for X and one
for Y?<br>
</blockquote>
Additional Unicode characters are not being considered right now
because there is no consensus on the higher level protocols of
SignWriting for Unicode. Instead of the coordinate style of
SignPuddle, they may choose a conceptual design based on deeper
structural.<br>
<br>
But if the 2nd Unicode proposal did choose to go with coordinates,
1 or 2 rows of negative values and 1 or 2 rows of positive values
would be best. <br>
<br>
As per your above preference, there is no reason to concatenate
the X and Y values into a single character, although a single
character for each point on a 2-dimensional grid of 256 by 256
does have a certain novelty.<br>
</blockquote>
I didn't mean both the X and the Y saved within one character,
rather, one character each.<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:4E90A849.8080904@signpuddle.net" type="cite">
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:4E8F30DE.4090309@yahoo.ca" type="cite"> If
you do go with what is below, I can make it work for my
program. I don't have any issues with the new limited size of
the axis to -500 to +499<br>
</blockquote>
I'm glad you don't mind the size limitation. This is the biggest
change and it is mainly a validation issue.<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:4E8F30DE.4090309@yahoo.ca" type="cite"> I am
interested in your thoughts or comments on the above<br>
</blockquote>
Thanks for the comments.<br>
</blockquote>
Thanks for yours too!!<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:4E90A849.8080904@signpuddle.net" type="cite">
-Steve<br>
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