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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> SignWriting
List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>Cherie Wren<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Montag, 17. Oktober 2011
12:17<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: AW: Please help us
test SignWriter Studio Beta 5!!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>"All
you need is a well fed dictionary and this wonderful program. "</span></font><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>What
do your dictionaries eat?</span></font><font color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>;;grin;;
</span></font><font color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>cherie</span></font><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Stefan
Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann@GOOGLEMAIL.COM><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 17, 2011
5:46 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> AW: Please help us test
SignWriter Studio Beta 5!!</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Ingvild and friends, </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>it is
interesting to understand that you agree with my concept that it is necessary
to add information coming from the lips- and tongue movements in order to
“understand” the exact meaning of a given sign. </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'>“....Signs that are the same in the hands and other movements,
differ in the mouthing and make distinctive signs that way. NSL claims to have
no homonyms (two or more signs that look exatly the same but have different
meaning) because of this....” </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'>Well my invention of Mundbildschrift is not the same as my set of
“Mundbilder in der GebaerdenSchrift” </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'>Nevertheless – thanks to the studies of Erica Hoffmann with my
students we found out that it is not correct simply to add the letters of a
word (spoken language) next to the sign in order to avoid “Mundbilder”</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'>To my very surprise I had to understand – and this has been such
an amazing experience – that even little deaf children having no idea of how to
write the spoken word – show almost mouth – and tongue movement patterns that
almost look like the same – as a “informed” signer would perform. </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'>Mouth movements are part of the usual guessing game trying to
understand from lip-reading. From my actual point of view these
Mundbilder which I defined to stand for special patterns of movements that
might result in specific sounds of a given spoken language come pretty close to
the best representation of what can be seen (!!!) looking at a signing person. </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'>And you are right – SignPuddle – so far does not allow to type
latin letters – as you could do with the DOS Program. Did you get the chance to
look at the German new softare Delegs? </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'>Now you get the chance to look for your signs almost loke in the
good old SWDOS –program. </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'>In addition to that you are able to change the preferred sign
alternative in every document without any problem. You can copy this specific
sign and paste it with this same variation. You can write the best translation
of the signwriting sentence beneath this line and hide or show one or
both lines! This is the perfect tool to support deaf students to improve their
spoken language skills. Just look at the attached gif.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'>Our team is still busy, busy, busy to complete our vision of an
almost perfect SignWriting – software program to support this idea which is the
motto of our Editor: “Delegs” = Deutsch lernen mit GebaerdenSchrift</span></font><font
color=black><span lang=EN-GB style='color:black'>" = learn German
assisted by SignWriting".</span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>All
you need is a well fed dictionary and this wonderful program. </span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>All
the best </span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Stefan
</span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
[mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Im
Auftrag von </span></b>Ingvild Roald<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Montag, 17. Oktober 2011
11:15<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b>
SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: Please help us test
SignWrite</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>r Studio Beta 5!!</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>?<br>
<br>
I don't think I can write a 'word' in latin letters beside a mouth in
SignPuddle, can I?<br>
<br>
On the other hand, I DO love the newer software,<br>
<br>
Ingvild </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>Date:
Sun, 16 Oct 2011 09:11:06 -0700<br>
From: sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG<br>
Subject: Re: Please help us test SignWriter Studio Beta 5!!<br>
To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>
<br>
SignWriting List</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>October
16, 2011</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>Hi
Ingvild and Charles!</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>Two
thoughts...</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>First,
SignWriter DOS is not past tense - it is not in the past. I am using it right
now, and so can anyone. Just download DOSBOX and install it:</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>DOSBOX</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>http://www.dosbox.com/</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>Second,
software like SignWriter DOS and SignPuddle 1.6, actually has little to do with
how you write. You can write the Norwegian mouth movements in any style you
choose in SignPuddle 1.6 too - software is not a theory of writing - so there
are no limits to your writing styles when it comes to Mouth Movements in either
software program...</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>The
only limits to SignWriter DOS usage is that it uses a smaller symbolset
(sss1995) and it cannot write down in vertical columns - but other than that
there are no limitations on your writing styles no matter which software
program you choose -</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>I
think what you really are saying is that you enjoyed writing the old way - and
that is fine because you can continue to write the old way!</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>smile
-</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>We
are adding a lot of Norwegian signs and documents - have you notice?I am so
happy about it!</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>SignPuddle
for Norway</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'><a
href="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/index.html#sgn-NO" target="_blank">http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/index.html#sgn-NO</a></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>There
are close to 3000 signs now in the dictionary and the literature puddle is
growing too - we may need to move some of the individual signs from the
literature puddle to the dictionary puddle, but we will do that work later -
Thank you for all your old SignWriter DOS files, Ingvild! I am happy to build a
sign language corpus in SignPuddle Online for all countries -</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>Val
;-)</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>---------</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>On
Oct 16, 2011, at 5:36 AM, Ingvild Roald wrote:</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>Another
good thing about the DOS-program was the possibility to write the mouthed
'words' near the mouth, rather than using the later invention of
Mundbildschrift', for those signed languages that use a lot of mouthing in the
signs. Norwegian SL uses mouthing a lot, especially for nouns. Signs that are
the same in the hands and other movements, differ in the mouthing and make
distinctive signs that way. NSL claims to have no homonyms (two or more signs
that look exatly the same but have different meaning) because of this.<br>
<br>
Ingvild<span class=yiv2093927429ecxapple-converted-space> </span></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>Date:
Sat, 15 Oct 2011 19:03:24 -0700<br>
From:<span class=yiv2093927429ecxapple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM">chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM</a><br>
Subject: Re: Please help us test SignWriter Studio Beta 5!!<br>
To:<span class=yiv2093927429ecxapple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Part of it is to understand that many educational
systems use Sign Writing to show the grammar comparing a local sign language
to the local spoken language. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>The useful thing about SW Dos is that one can use
the spoken language, the signed language, and fingerspelling so that one can
compare gramatically, very similar to the current German system. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thank you for your attention. Charles<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
<br>
Charles Butler<br>
<a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br>
240-764-5748<br>
Clear writing moves business forward.<br>
<br>
--- On<span class=yiv2093927429ecxapple-converted-space> </span><b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Thu, 10/13/11, Jonathan<span
class=yiv2093927429ecxapple-converted-space> </span><i><span
style='font-style:italic'><<a href="mailto:duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA"
target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA">duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA</a>></span></i></span></b><span
class=yiv2093927429ecxapple-converted-space> </span>wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
From: Jonathan <<a href="mailto:duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA">duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA</a>><br>
Subject: Re: Please help us test SignWriter Studio Beta 5!!<br>
To:<span class=yiv2093927429ecxapple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
Date: Thursday, October 13, 2011, 11:09 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi Charles,<br>
I just tried out SignWriter DOS to see exactly what you
are talking about. I see you can type right over a sign if you
want to, below, above and if you type a long sentence the other signs move
over. Is it important for you that the be place on top of the signs
too? Or is it more important for you to be able to write some text,
then some signs, then some text, etc?<br>
Had I realized that so many just LOVE the old SignWriter
Dos I may have gotten permission to duplicate it very faithfully. With
SignWriter Studio some things may be similar but none are identical.
Right now I am trying to get the three main parts of the program working, the
dictionary ( I will soon have a preview version available), the signlist (for
printing lists of signs from the dictionary) and the document.
Once I get everything working again after changing to ISWA 2010 and a new
database, I am interested in implement a keyboard like SignWriter DOS.
But first things first.<br>
The document isn't functional right now. Also it
only deals with vertical columns of writing for the time being. It can
have text above the sign up to the width of the sign, then it wraps onto more
lines. At present there isn't any way of writing just text without a
sign but it shouldn't be too hard to implement. The editing of
the signs is done in a popup box instead of directly in the document like
SignWriter DOS. A lot of thought has been put into it to use the
keyboard but it may need a few more adjustments yet.<br>
<br>
Thank you for sharing this important feature with me and list.<br>
<br>
Jonathan<br>
<br>
On 10/10/2011 9:48 AM, Charles Butler wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Jonathan, What I really want is SignWriter DOS on
a modern system.<br>
<br>
In that program you could interleave written alphabets and sign writing.
Clunky, but effective.<br>
<br>
You could clip signs from a narrative and put them somewhere else.<br>
<br>
It was a true typing system for signing so that you could assemble a sign
by typing on a keyboard not a mouse. Yes, I know that the current encoding
of the ISWA is dependent upon a linking of graphemes and coding
equivalents.<br>
<br>
None of the Studios or other efforts have gone back to actual interleaved
Spoken Language and Signed Language. </span></font><span lang=EN-GB>I
can clip a sign and put it in here<br>
</span><img border=0 width=60 height=56 id="yiv2093927429_x005f_x0000_i1027"
src="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/glyphogram.php?ksw=AS15a30S15a30S2ea3aS2ea4eS2fb04M30x28S15a30n24xn28S15a309xn28S2ea3a5x3S2ea4en30x3S2fb04n6x22"><span
class=yiv2093927429ecxapple-converted-space><span lang=EN-GB> </span></span><span
lang=EN-GB>, in TEXT, when does THAT come back in a program. </span>I feel
like we are continuing to take a great leap backward. Until one can type or
easily assemble, one can't' send email that is in sign language with a
spoken language. IF Chinese can do it, I am disappointed in every Sign
Writing compiler on the market that can't interleave.<span
class=yiv2093927429ecxapple-converted-space> </span><br>
<br>
Charles Butler<br>
<br>
This is an email program and I can do that, but the SW studio and all other
programs do not do that.<span class=yiv2093927429ecxapple-converted-space> </span><br>
<br>
<br>
Charles Butler<br>
<a href="http://mc/compose?to=chazzer3332000%40yahoo.com" target="_blank">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br>
240-764-5748<br>
Clear writing moves business forward.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>email:<span
class=yiv2093927429ecxapple-converted-space> </span>duncanjonathan@yahoo.ca<br>
<span
class=yiv2093927429ecxapple-converted-space> </span>joyoduncan@gmail.com<br>
Cel: 9983-1204<br>
Tel: 2213-5285<br>
Skype: yojoduncan<br>
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