<html><head><base href="x-msg://27/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<div>October 24, 2011</div><div><br></div><div>The second spelling in the video is a shortened version and the second hand position isn't even written in the second spelling, which suggests to me that the writer feels that it is supposed to be the same handshape and same palm facing in both cases, even though he may not have signed it that way - Just a thought - it is possible that the person who has the sign name wants it to be signed the way it is written ... but it is hard to sign it that way!</div><div><br></div><div>So Yuri, is the second handshape supposed to be parallel to the Floor or the Wall?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><img height="329" width="446" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" id="0f4dad22-7efc-41d4-874e-7d9eb615b9dc" src="cid:34D517BB-401D-4FE8-8FB2-1876BC71FDBE"></div><div><br><div><div>On Oct 24, 2011, at 12:31 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="DE" link="blue" vlink="blue"><div class="Section1" style="page: Section1; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Hi Yuri,<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">yes I liked to look at your video too. ... and I love all sorts of SW spelling discussions. Part of our SW tests is to search for spelling-mistakes in GebaerdenSchrift-documents. This is fun and is a wonderful option to improve the skills of a SignWriting scribe. As I understand your video you are discussing the spelling of a name-sign – The letter “D” for “Danielle” and then focus on the long hair. Right?<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Well another comment – if you are interested – smile L.I.F.E<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; ">When I</span></font></span><span lang="EN"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">look at</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">your performance</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">and in consideration</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">of the</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">second touch</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">contact</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">at waist level</span>, I<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">would</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">prefer a</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="hps">different notation – the final D-hand with the gap.<o:p></o:p></span></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; ">Stefan</span></font></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="DE" link="blue" vlink="blue"><div class="Section1" style="page: Section1; "><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="padding-top: 0cm; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; "><div id="yiv1147494716"><div><div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">On Oct 23, 2011, at 6:34 PM, Yuri Barreto wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="padding-top: 0cm; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="yiv1147494716hps"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">Hello friends</span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">!</span></font></span><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><br><br></span></font><span class="yiv1147494716hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; "><span style="background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); ">A</span></span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716apple-style-span"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> </span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">Sunday</span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716apple-style-span"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> </span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">rest</span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">, but</span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716apple-style-span"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> </span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">Facebook</span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716apple-style-span"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> </span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">has emerged</span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716apple-style-span"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> </span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">as</span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716apple-style-span"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> </span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">an</span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716apple-style-span"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> </span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">interesting thingwas reviewing</span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716apple-style-span"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> </span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">the spelling of</span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716apple-style-span"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> </span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">a</span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716apple-style-span"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> </span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">sign written</span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716apple-style-span"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> </span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">as a way to</span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716apple-style-span"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> </span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">encouragea</span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716apple-style-span"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; "><span style="background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); "> </span></span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">deaf</span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716apple-style-span"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> </span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">friend and</span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716apple-style-span"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> </span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">other friends</span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">, playing</span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716apple-style-span"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> </span></font></span><span class="yiv1147494716hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">SW.</span></font></span><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><br><br><span class="yiv1147494716hps">You can laugh</span><span class="yiv1147494716">!</span><br><br><span class="yiv1147494716apple-style-span"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY_73oWHbsE" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY_73oWHbsE</a></span><br><br><span class="yiv1147494716hps">I know</span><span class="yiv1147494716apple-style-span"> </span><span class="yiv1147494716hps">that "someone"</span><span class="yiv1147494716apple-style-span"> </span><span class="yiv1147494716hps">loves this</span><span class="yiv1147494716apple-style-span"> </span><span class="yiv1147494716hpsyiv1147494716atn">sort of thing "</span><span class="yiv1147494716">ephemeral</span></span></font><span class="yiv1147494716"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; "><span style="background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); ">"</span><span style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">!</span></span></font></span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="#333333" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><br><span class="yiv1147494716hps">Hugs</span></span></font><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>