<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); "><span class="hps">Perfect</span> <span class="hps">for</span> <span class="hps">observing</span> <span class="hps">the position of the</span> <span class="hps">hand after the</span> <span class="hps">downward motion.</span> <span class="hps">The owner of the</span> <span class="hps">sign</span> <span class="hps">described to me</span> <span class="hps">that the hand</span><span class="hps">remained</span> <span class="hps">parallel to the wall</span><span class="">.</span><br><br><span class="hps">In</span> <span class="hps">fact, even</span> <span class="hps">in the video</span> <span class="hps">she sent</span> <span class="hps">to
 me,</span> <span class="hps">making the sign</span> <span class="hps">of it</span><span class="">, you could see</span> <span class="hps">clearly that there was</span> <span class="hps">an</span> <span class="hps">inclination of</span> <span class="hps">45</span><span class="hps">°,</span> <span class="hps">ie, not</span><span class="hps">parallel to the</span> <span class="hps">floor or</span> <span class="hps">parallel to the</span> <span class="hps">wall.</span><br><br><span class="hps">From the</span> <span class="hps">description of it</span><span class="">,</span> <span class="hps">and</span> <span class="hps">irresistible</span> <span class="hps">linguistic economy</span><span class="">, I chose</span> <span class="hps">eeping</span> <span class="hps">the description</span> <span class="hps">literally,</span> <span class="hps">so</span> <span
 class="hps">facilitating</span> <span class="hps">the simplified version.</span><br><br><span class="hps">---</span><br><br><span class="hps">I think</span> <span class="hps">these questions</span> <span class="hps">fantastic</span> <span class="hps">spelling</span><span class="">,</span> <span class="hps">and I love</span> <span class="hps">it!</span><br><br><span class="hps">On the other</span> <span class="hps">hand, I think</span> <span class="hps">the deaf</span> <span class="hps">need</span> <span class="hps">a</span> <span class="hps">fast</span> <span class="hps">system written</span><span class="">, and</span><span class="hps">that it is</span> <span class="hps">more practical.</span> <span class="hps">Signwriting</span> <span class="hps">is</span> <span class="hps">a</span> <span class="hps">powerful tool</span> <span class="hps">by</span> <span
 class="hps">which</span> <span class="hps">I see</span> <span class="hps">as well as in</span> <span class="hps">writing</span> <span class="hps">an</span> <span class="hps">oral language,</span> <span class="hps">allowing the recording of</span> <span class="hps">"anything</span><span class="">"</span> <span class="hps">thought</span><span class="">.</span><br><br><span class="hps">Although</span> <span class="hps">chemical,</span> <span class="hps">but with</span> <span class="hps">some knowledge of</span> <span class="hps">linguistics</span><span class="">, I</span> <span class="hps">think</span><span class="hps">that even</span> <span class="hps">a</span> <span class="hps">handshape</span> <span class="hps">is</span> <span class="hps">difficult</span> <span class="hps">to make</span> <span class="hps">parallel to the wall</span> <span class="hps">as
 in this case</span> <span class="hps">we have discussed,</span> <span class="hps">sometimes</span> <span class="hps">ends up being</span><span class="hps">"accepted"</span> <span class="hps">write what</span> <span class="hps">you</span> <span class="hps">do not necessarily</span> <span class="hps">oralize</span> <span class="hps">/</span> <span class="hps">signal</span><span class="">.</span><br><br><span class="hps">For example</span><span class="">:</span><br><br><span class="hps">In</span> <span class="hps">Brazilian Portuguese,</span> <span class="hps">the word</span> <span class="hps">now</span> <span class="hps">V</span><span class="">-OCE</span> <span class="hps">(you</span><span class="">, in English</span><span class="">)</span><span class="hps">can be found</span> <span class="hps">written as</span> <span class="hps atn">"</span><span
 class="">VC"</span> <span class="hps">in the</span> <span class="hps">online network</span><span class="">,</span> <span class="hps">although</span> <span class="hps">the pronunciation</span> <span class="hps">to be "faithful</span><span class="">" to the</span> <span class="hps">written</span> <span class="hps">rules</span><span class="">.</span></span><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); "><span class="hps">This</span> <span class="hps">would be</span> <span class="hps">a</span> <span class="hps">parallel between</span> <span class="hps atn">"</span><span>Option 1</span><span>"</span> <span class="hps atn">and "</span><span>Option
 2</span><span>"</span><span>.</span><br><br><span class="hps">Still,</span> <span class="hps">a few words</span> <span class="hps">of our</span> <span class="hps">Languages</span> <span class="hps">​​(Portuguese</span><span>) has</span> <span class="hps">peculiar</span><span class="hps">pronunciations</span><span>.</span> <span class="hps">People with</span> <span class="hps">lower</span> <span class="hps">socioeconomic status</span><span class="hps">generally do not</span> <span class="hps">pronounce the letter</span> <span class="hps">"d" in</span> <span class="hps">gerunds</span> <span class="hps">...</span> <span class="hps">In</span> <span class="hps">my state</span><span>,</span><span class="hps">Bahia</span> <span class="hps">and need not be</span> <span class="hps">economically disadvantaged</span><span>,</span> <span class="hps">haha</span> <span
 class="hps">...</span> <span class="hps">It is</span><span class="hps">a</span> <span class="hps">common</span> <span class="hps atn">word like "</span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic; ">Fa</span><i style="font-weight: bold; ">zen</i><i>d</i><i style="font-weight: bold; ">o</i><span>"</span> <span class="hps">be pronounced</span> <span class="hps atn">"</span><b><i>Fazeno</i></b><span>", among</span> <span class="hps">other examples</span><span>, which I think</span> <span class="hps">fits</span> <span class="hps atn">"</span><span>linguistically</span> <span class="hps">speaking"</span><span class="hps">on the question of</span> <span class="hps">how to represent the</span> <span class="hps">second</span> <span class="hps">handshape</span> <span class="hps">so</span><span class="hps">interplanar</span> <span class="hps
 atn">(</span><span>neologism</span><span>?</span><span>!</span> <span class="hps">=))</span> <span class="hps">.</span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); "><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); ">Fazendo (Brazilian portuguese) = Doing (English)<br><br><span class="hps">---</span><br><br><span class="hps">I mean</span> <span class="hps">that I am</span> <span class="hps">very grateful!</span><br><br><span class="hps">Some</span> <span class="hps">colleagues</span> <span class="hps">of the</span> <span class="hps">"area</span> <span class="hps">of deafness</span><span>"</span> <span
 class="hps">think</span> <span class="hps">SW is</span><span class="hps">unattainable</span><span>.</span><br><br><span class="hps">Talk directly</span> <span class="hps">with you</span><span>,</span> <span class="hps">"think</span> <span class="hps">SW"</span> <span class="hps">invrível</span> <span class="hps">and</span> <span class="hps">is</span> <span class="hps">extremely motivating</span><span>!</span> <span class="hps">It's like reading</span> <span class="hps">a</span> <span class="hps">scientific paper</span><span>,</span> <span class="hps">read something</span><span>,</span><span class="hps">get a little confused</span> <span class="hps">or curious about</span> <span class="hps">something and then</span> <span class="hps">make a call to</span> <span class="hps">the author of the</span> <span class="hps">text!</span> <span
 class="hps">Haha</span> <span class="hps">...</span><br><br><span class="hps">---</span><br><br><span class="hps">I could</span> <span class="hps">promote</span> <span class="hps">this discussion</span> <span class="hps">on my</span> <span class="hps">Facebook profile</span><span>?</span><br><br><span class="hps">As</span> <span class="hps">a</span> <span class="hps">way of stimulating</span><span>,</span> <span class="hps">and even</span> <span class="hps">agreagar</span> <span class="hps">more interested</span> <span class="hps">in studies of the</span> <span class="hps">SW.</span><br><br><span class="hps">And</span> <span class="hps">people</span> <span class="hps">see</span> <span class="hps">that and</span> <span class="hps">falalrem</span><span>: Wow,</span> <span class="hps">"they"</span> <span class="hps">really exist</span><span>!</span><br><br><span
 class="hps">---</span><br><br><span class="hps">A big hug</span><span>!</span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="arial, sans-serif">Yuri<br></font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><br><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2">--- Em </font><b style="font-family: arial; font-size: 10pt; ">ter, 25/10/11, Valerie Sutton <i><sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG></i></b><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2"> escreveu:</font><br><blockquote style="font-family: arial; font-size: 10pt; border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; "><br>De: Valerie Sutton <sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG><br>Assunto: Re: AW: (Now yes, you have the video!) A ortografic correction on
 Facebook!<br>Para: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>Data: Terça-feira, 25 de Outubro de 2011, 3:55<br><br><div id="yiv632266959"><base><div>SignWriting List<div>October 24, 2011</div><div><br></div><div>The second spelling in the video is a shortened version and the second hand position isn't even written in the second spelling, which suggests to me that the writer feels that it is supposed to be the same handshape and same palm facing in both cases, even though he may not have signed it that way - Just a thought - it is possible that the person who has the sign name wants it to be signed the way it is written ... but it is hard to sign it that way!</div><div><br></div><div>So Yuri, is the second handshape supposed to be parallel to the Floor or the Wall?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><img height="329" width="446" id="yiv6322669590f4dad22-7efc-41d4-874e-7d9eb615b9dc"
 src="cid:1.1398476478@web161301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com"></div><div><br><div><div>On Oct 24, 2011, at 12:31 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:</div><br class="yiv632266959Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="DE"><div class="yiv632266959Section1" style=""><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;">Hi Yuri,</span></font></div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;">  </span></font></div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span
 lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;">yes I liked to look at your video too. ... and I love all sorts of SW spelling discussions. Part of our SW tests is to search for spelling-mistakes in  GebaerdenSchrift-documents. This is fun and is a wonderful option to improve the skills of a SignWriting scribe. As I understand your video you are discussing the spelling of a name-sign – The letter “D”  for “Danielle” and then focus on the long hair. Right?</span></font></div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;">Well another comment – if you are interested – smile  L.I.F.E</span></font></div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times
 New Roman';"><span class="yiv632266959hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size:12pt;">When I</span></font></span><span lang="EN"><span class="yiv632266959Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="yiv632266959hps">look at</span><span class="yiv632266959Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="yiv632266959hps">your performance</span><span class="yiv632266959Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="yiv632266959hps">and in consideration</span><span class="yiv632266959Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="yiv632266959hps">of the</span><span class="yiv632266959Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="yiv632266959hps">second touch</span><span class="yiv632266959Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="yiv632266959hps">contact</span><span class="yiv632266959Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="yiv632266959hps">at waist level</span>, I<span
 class="yiv632266959Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="yiv632266959hps">would</span><span class="yiv632266959Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="yiv632266959hps">prefer a</span><span class="yiv632266959Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="yiv632266959hps">different notation – the final D-hand with the gap.</span></span></div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><span class="yiv632266959hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size:12pt;">  </span></font></span></div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><span class="yiv632266959hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN"
 style="font-size:12pt;">Stefan</span></font></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="yiv632266959Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Arial;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;orphans:2;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium;"><div lang="DE"><div class="yiv632266959Section1" style=""><table class="yiv632266959MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="padding-top:0cm;padding-right:0cm;padding-bottom:0cm;padding-left:0cm;"><div id="yiv632266959"><div><div><div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt;">On Oct 23, 2011, at
 6:34 PM, Yuri Barreto wrote:</span></font></div></div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt;"><br><br></span></font></div><table class="yiv632266959MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="padding-top:0cm;padding-right:0cm;padding-bottom:0cm;padding-left:0cm;"><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><span class="yiv632266959hps"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);">Hello friends</span></font></span><span class="yiv632266959"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);">!</span></font></span><font face="Arial"><span
 style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);"><br><br></span></font><span class="yiv632266959hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);">A</span></span></font></span><span class="yiv632266959apple-style-span"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);"> </span></font></span><span class="yiv632266959hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);">Sunday</span></font></span><span class="yiv632266959apple-style-span"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);"> </span></font></span><span class="yiv632266959hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);">rest</span></font></span><span class="yiv632266959"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);">,
 but</span></font></span><span class="yiv632266959apple-style-span"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);"> </span></font></span><span class="yiv632266959hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);">Facebook</span></font></span><span class="yiv632266959apple-style-span"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);"> </span></font></span><span class="yiv632266959hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);">has emerged</span></font></span><span class="yiv632266959apple-style-span"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);"> </span></font></span><span class="yiv632266959hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);">as</span></font></span><span
 class="yiv632266959apple-style-span"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);"> </span></font></span><span class="yiv632266959hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);">an</span></font></span><span class="yiv632266959apple-style-span"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);"> </span></font></span><span class="yiv632266959hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);">interesting thingwas reviewing</span></font></span><span class="yiv632266959apple-style-span"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);"> </span></font></span><span class="yiv632266959hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);">the spelling of</span></font></span><span
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 face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);"> </span></font></span><span class="yiv632266959hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);">encouragea</span></font></span><span class="yiv632266959apple-style-span"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);"> </span></span></font></span><span class="yiv632266959hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);">deaf</span></font></span><span class="yiv632266959apple-style-span"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);"> </span></font></span><span class="yiv632266959hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);">friend and</span></font></span><span class="yiv632266959apple-style-span"><font face="Arial"><span
 style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);"> </span></font></span><span class="yiv632266959hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);">other friends</span></font></span><span class="yiv632266959"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);">, playing</span></font></span><span class="yiv632266959apple-style-span"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);"> </span></font></span><span class="yiv632266959hps"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);">SW.</span></font></span><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);"><br><br><span class="yiv632266959hps">You can laugh</span><span class="yiv632266959">!</span><br><br><span class="yiv632266959apple-style-span"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
 href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY_73oWHbsE" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY_73oWHbsE</a></span><br><br><span class="yiv632266959hps">I know</span><span class="yiv632266959apple-style-span"> </span><span class="yiv632266959hps">that "someone"</span><span class="yiv632266959apple-style-span"> </span><span class="yiv632266959hps">loves this</span><span class="yiv632266959apple-style-span"> </span><span class="yiv632266959hpsyiv1147494716atn">sort of thing "</span><span class="yiv632266959">ephemeral</span></span></font><span class="yiv632266959"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);">"</span><span style="background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);">!</span></span></font></span></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font size="3"
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