<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<div>November 15, 2011</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you for the attached photos and suggestions for hand symbols. As you know, you are welcome to construct the hand symbols as they are needed, within the ISWA 2010. If you are finding confusions in writing certain hand symbols that are in the ISWA 2010, of course it is good that you tell us, and go right ahead and do what you feel is best… Meanwhile others around the world are already using the ISWA 2010 as it is, so it is not possible for us to stop everyone from writing the way they choose, but I am fully in support of your efforts to improve your writing of your sign languages…</div><div><br></div><div>So in this discussion, I am only observing what you are telling us…but not standing in judgement, since I have learned through experience that the hand symbols will never be finished. There are too many possible variations of hand positions and palm facings, for us to have ALL of them for writing every sign language in the world…so please know I am happy that you are sharing with us, and if we can read what you wrote, that is all that matters...</div><div><br></div><div>Regarding Picture 1 below, with the Index Finger and Little Finger bent - I know other sign languages need this hand symbol too. And I can read how you constructed the symbols. So this fine. I can read it. There is a second way of writing this, but if you are happy with this I am too …smile...</div><div><br></div><div><img height="433" width="508" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" id="9ac59145-2b20-4594-bd16-db3df5af7b0b" src="cid:20A4B25A-B6A1-43DC-BAFD-E9FDAACD6EE5"></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Nov 12, 2011, at 9:50 AM, Madson Barreto wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; position: static; z-index: auto; "><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align: left; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; ">Please look these pictures of handshapes. Note that for each one these we have a suggestion of writing in others handshapes.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align: left; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align: left; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; position: static; z-index: auto; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; ">- The picture “1” is the union of 01-01-007 (ISWA code) and 01-06-019;<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align: left; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; position: static; z-index: auto; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; ">- The picture “2” rememb me 01-08-018;<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align: left; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; ">- The picture “4” is the union of handshapes 01-01-003 and 01-05-008. It seems with 01-01-003.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align: left; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; ">- The picture “5” is the union of 01-06-013 [ I ] and 01-10-004 [A]. The handshape “5” is very alike to the 01-06-021 [Y]. Here in Brazil usually use it but it is very seems with 01-06-021 [Y]. I see that many people use it in dactylology (spelling) 01-10-004 for [A] and 01-09-019 for [G]. The handshape 01-06-021 is a different picture of “5”.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align: left; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align: left; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align: left; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; ">We intent include the handshape 1,2,3,4 and 5 them in ISWA and disclose this here in Brazil for use of the 01-09-019 and 01-10-004, stop using 01-09-018 and 01-10-003 because they cause confusion in the writing of handshape “5”.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align: left; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align: left; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align: left; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; ">Eagerly await your reply,</span><span lang="ES" style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align: left; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; ">Madson and Raquel Barreto</span></b><span lang="ES" style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>