<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<div>November 17, 2011</div><div><br></div><div>Hello Madson and Charles -</div><div>Thank you for your message below, Madson, and I will be happy to post the poster, Charles, and also other links related to SignWriting in Brazil...</div><div><br></div><div>I am running late today with other appointments but I look forward to writing again as soon as I can -</div><div><br></div><div>It will be fun to share all the amazing work from Brazil with SignWriting…</div><div><br></div><div>This web page has lots of links, including the Lessons in SignWriting Textbook translated into Portuguese and LIBRAS, and expanded by Marianne Stumpf…It is number 5 on this web page (scroll down to see numbered links):</div><div><br></div><div>SignWriting in Brazil</div><div><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/brazil/">http://www.signwriting.org/brazil/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>---------</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:13 PM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Valerie, could you find the link to the poster I did in LIBRAS with examples of each handshape? <div><br></div><div>Also, I know that SignWriting for Everyday Use was translated into Brazilian Portuguese, perhaps Madison has not seen that translation. <br><br>Charles Butler<br>
<a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br>
240-764-5748<br>
Clear writing moves business forward.<br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 11/16/11, Madson Barreto <i><<a href="mailto:barretobh@GMAIL.COM">barretobh@GMAIL.COM</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Madson Barreto <<a href="mailto:barretobh@GMAIL.COM">barretobh@GMAIL.COM</a>><br>Subject: Re: News handshapes in Brazilian Sign Language (LSB/Libras)<br>To: <a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2011, 5:58 PM<br><br><div id="yiv1242454368"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><div><div><span class="yiv1242454368Apple-style-span" style="font-size:14px;">Hello everyone and Valerie,</span></div><div><span class="yiv1242454368Apple-style-span" style="font-size:14px;"><br></span></div><div><span class="yiv1242454368Apple-style-span" style="font-size:14px;">Yes, I aging an email in August. At the time you asked me to forward it to the SW list, but it took me
 to do it because I was researching more handshapes, etc..</span></div><div><span class="yiv1242454368Apple-style-span" style="font-size:14px;"><br></span></div><div><span class="yiv1242454368Apple-style-span" style="font-size:14px;">Thanks everyone for answers and assistance.</span></div><div><span class="yiv1242454368Apple-style-span" style="font-size:14px;"><br></span></div><div><span class="yiv1242454368Apple-style-span" style="font-size:14px;">This week I'm short on time (I seem to be running), I will try to resend the email to
 theweekend.</span></div><div><span class="yiv1242454368Apple-style-span" style="font-size:14px;"><br></span></div><div><span class="yiv1242454368Apple-style-span" style="font-size:14px;">Valerie, this second email you sent me (referring to the email in August), I realized that my question was more clear about fingerspelling [A], [Y], etc.. I'm still not fluent in English andturned to Google, friends, and I already know English. I think both of the look SignWriting, I am improving my English, Spanish, French, German, Norwegian ... laughs / smiles. Here in Brazil there are still no specifics on the materials as SignWriting. Maybe the email I sentwas a little confused. I recognize that the fingerspelling look arround world is complicated.In a few months found many hand configurations that are not yet cataloged in Libras, butthat people use. My purpose is to contribute to the expansion of SignWriting in Brazil.</span></div><div><span class="yiv1242454368Apple-style-span" style="
font-size:14px;"><br></span></div><div><span class="yiv1242454368Apple-style-span" style="font-size:14px;">Now that you said about the beginning of SignWriting and SignWriter, it became clearer tome over the fingerspelling.</span></div><div><span class="yiv1242454368Apple-style-span" style="font-size:14px;"><br></span></div><div><span class="yiv1242454368Apple-style-span" style="font-size:14px;">I'll stay here. In brief the resend emails.</span></div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><br></div></div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><font class="yiv1242454368Apple-style-span" size="2"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><font><b>Madson Barreto <br></b><div><br></div></font></font></font></div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;"><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times, serif;"><font size="2" face="Arial"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De:</span></b> Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">sutton@signwriting.org</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Para:</span></b> SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages <<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> Madson Barreto <<a href="mailto:barretobh@gmail.com">barretobh@gmail.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Enviadas:</span></b> Quarta-feira, 16 de Novembro de 2011 16:44<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Assunto:</span></b> Re: News handshapes in Brazilian Sign Language (LSB/Libras)<br></font><br><div id="yiv1242454368"><div>SignWriting List<div>November 16, 2011</div><div><br></div><div>Hello Madson and everyone -</div><div>I just found an old email message from you, dated back on August 18, 2011. And your questions were very
 similar to
 the ones below. Thank you for that message as well.</div><div><br></div><div>The older message in August was clear and I can study it better. For some reason, when you posted here to the List, the photos and symbols attached in an unorganized way and I had trouble figuring out which photo goes with which symbol…so now I will study your work better looking at the old message and answer more...</div><div><br></div><div>Regarding the fact that there are two different thumbs on the side of an A hand (a fist) - one thumb is more at an angle and the other thumb is closer to the fist - either one is fine with me - those two variations were put in the ISWA because some people needed the difference, but no one is required to use one or the other - it is the writer's choice.</div><div><br></div><div>Back in the old days (smile) in the 1980's and 1990's, we did not have as many choices. The SignWriter DOS program, for example, has under 90 hand symbols, and
 there was not a choice between two different thumb angles. One of the reasons you may see one symbol for fingerspelling, is perhaps because the old SignWriter DOS program has a fingerspelling keyboard for Brazil, which I put together at the direction of two Brazilian Sign Language users - and we may have chosen a particular symbol because there was nothing else to choose from - and over time people got used to that symbol, even though now there are more choices in the ISWA.</div><div><br></div><div>So if you write again, Madson, I would include just one photo and one symbol at a time, in one email - that will be easier for all of us to understand the questions...</div><div><br></div><div>And congratulations on your accomplishments - thanks for writing and informing us about your project -</div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>----------</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br class="yiv1242454368Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="yiv1242454368Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;orphans:2;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium;font-family:Arial;"><div><div><div>On Nov 12, 2011, at 9:50 AM, Madson Barreto wrote:</div><br class="yiv1242454368Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><div><div class="yiv1242454368MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;background-color:white;"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;background-color:white;">Dear Valerie Sutton and all members of list,</span></b><span lang="ES" style="font-size:12pt;"></span></div><div class="yiv1242454368MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;background-color:white;"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:12pt;background-color:white;"> </span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:12pt;"></span></div><div class="yiv1242454368MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;background-color:white;"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:12pt;background-color:white;"> </span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:12pt;"></span></div><div class="yiv1242454368MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;background-color:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;background-color:white;">My name is Madson Barreto, I am translator-interpreter of Brazilian Sign Language (LSB/Libras) teen years ago.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;"><span class="yiv1242454368Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="background-color:white;">My wife is deaf, teacher of LSB.</span><span class="yiv1242454368Apple-converted-space"> </span>I’m student of the course<span class="yiv1242454368Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>“Letras Libras”, Universidade Federal de Santa Catarina</i>. This course explore the Brazilian Sign Language, linguistic and focus on translation and interpretation of LSB for Brazilian Portuguese language.<span class="yiv1242454368Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="background-color:white;">We know the SignWriting two years ago and since then we have researched this wonderful system of writing.</span></span></div><div class="yiv1242454368MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;background-color:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1242454368MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;background-color:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;background-color:white;">The last year, I created a Group for the Study of SignWriting here in state of<span class="yiv1242454368Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>Minas
 Gerais</i><span class="yiv1242454368Apple-converted-space"> </span>at my university. This group investigates the SignWriting. Our desire is that SignWriting is known for the deaf community because the system records with precise the Sign Languages.Congratulations to you and all researchs for the excellent work and research conducted on behalf of deaf communities around the world.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;"></span></div><div class="yiv1242454368MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;background-color:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1242454368MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;background-color:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1242454368MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;background-color:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;">Please look these pictures of handshapes. Note that for
 each one these we have a suggestion of writing in others handshapes.</span></div><div class="yiv1242454368MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;background-color:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1242454368MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;background-color:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;">- The picture “1” is the union of 01-01-007 (ISWA code) and 01-06-019;</span></div><div class="yiv1242454368MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;background-color:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;">- The picture “2” rememb me 01-08-018;</span></div><div class="yiv1242454368MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;background-color:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;">- The picture “4” is the union of handshapes 01-01-003 and 01-05-008. It seems with 01-01-003.</span></div><div class="yiv1242454368MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;background-color:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;">- The picture “5” is the union of 01-06-013 [ I ] and 01-10-004 [A]. The handshape “5” is very alike to the 01-06-021 [Y]. Here in Brazil usually use it but it is very seems with 01-06-021 [Y]. I see that many people use it in dactylology (spelling) 01-10-004 for [A] and 01-09-019 for [G]. The handshape 01-06-021 is a different picture of “5”.</span></div><div class="yiv1242454368MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;background-color:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1242454368MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;background-color:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1242454368MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;background-color:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;">We intent include the handshape 1,2,3,4 and 5
 them in ISWA and disclose this here in Brazil for use of the 01-09-019 and 01-10-004, stop using 01-09-018 and 01-10-003 because they cause confusion in the writing of handshape “5”.</span></div><div class="yiv1242454368MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;background-color:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1242454368MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;background-color:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1242454368MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;background-color:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;">Eagerly await your reply,</span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:12pt;"></span></div><div class="yiv1242454368MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;background-color:white;"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;">Madson and Raquel Barreto</span></b><span lang="ES" style="font-size:12pt;"></span></div><div class="yiv1242454368MsoNormal"><br></div></div></div></div><img name="2.JPG" id="yiv1242454368aeea6869-b948-4a13-8f9d-3789de876870" height="471" width="387" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:1.1646382953@web125718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com"><img id="yiv1242454368fd4ecbdc-c440-41d5-aaa7-46de3b904565" height="124" width="121" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:2.1646382953@web125718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com"><img name="1.JPG" id="yiv1242454368aab-3e49-471a-a573-97b291ed6e59" height="416" width="338" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:3.1646382953@web125718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com"><img id="yiv1242454368a-972b-4d74-bfc6-e42af597f1b2" height="42" width="121" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:4.1646382953@web125718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com"><img name="5.JPG" id="yiv1242454368e270b8ee-1f3c-4494-b234-2eaaa3d64a48" height="421" width="295" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:5.1646382953@web125718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com"><img name="3.JPG" id="yiv1242454368c204c02a-feee-44b5-aa98-8d878e7b48d7" height="424" width="250" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:6.1646382953@web125718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com"><img id="yiv1242454368b165c4bd-49a4-422f-82bc-37aa6d5d9290" height="49" width="84" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:7.1646382953@web125718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com"><img id="yiv1242454368a116c79-c32f-4bf0-b554-bbbc4af09128" height="508" width="452" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:8.1646382953@web125718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com"><img id="yiv1242454368de9644c3-24b5-4aff-b650-bbbd422eb753" height="31" width="102" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:9.1646382953@web125718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com"><img name="4.JPG" id="yiv1242454368bab016-6553-4ac3-9587-7650c54ad7a5" height="506" width="338" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:10.1646382953@web125718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com"><img id="yiv1242454368a5e00e8f-b6e5-436b-ad37-35409ad960a8" height="534" width="421" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:11.1646382953@web125718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com"><img id="yiv1242454368f430432-ea1f-463b-adf2-dd247efb85a0" height="444" width="316" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:12.1646382953@web125718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com"><img id="yiv1242454368d76d993a-0205-4d63-b7ce-3431dd5437b3" height="445" width="473" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:13.1646382953@web125718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com"><img id="yiv1242454368ff39047-9214-41f7-aec2-cb910272ef4d" height="411" width="492" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:14.1646382953@web125718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com"></blockquote></div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-----</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><br><div><span class="yiv1242454368Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;orphans:2;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium;font-family:Arial;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;"><span class="yiv1242454368Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;orphans:2;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium;font-family:Arial;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;"><div><div><span class="yiv1242454368Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;orphans:2;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium;font-family:Arial;"><div>Val ;-)<span class="yiv1242454368Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br></span><span class="yiv1242454368Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br></span><span class="yiv1242454368Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">Valerie Sutton</span><span class="yiv1242454368Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br></span><span class="yiv1242454368Apple-style-span" style="font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