<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<div>February 24, 2012</div><div><br></div><div>They are not touching each other. They are not rubbing each other. They are a good distance from each other, and both are moving straight up and rubbing the chest in a straight line as they move up, staying on the chest - That is why it cannot be a General Arrow - because the two paths are not overlapping….they are not Grey - but one real separate black path and one real separate white path with no contact with each other - </div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-size: 13px; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-size: 13px; "><img height="81" width="63" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" id="cea3c9ae-5535-4629-a635-a58355bafbd9" src="cid:5FB007B6-DEA6-4433-95A4-B19AC77A713D"></span></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Feb 24, 2012, at 7:51 PM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><div><span>If they are touching each other (since they are rubbing) why aren't the hands next to each other. </span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div> </div><div>Charles Butler<br><a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business forward.<br></div>  <div style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1">  <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Yuri Barreto <<a href="mailto:nempretonembranco@YAHOO.COM.BR">nempretonembranco@YAHOO.COM.BR</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, February 24, 2012 9:31 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:
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<div id="yiv715415432"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit;"><span class="yiv715415432hps" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); font-family: arial, sans-serif; ">     Well, in</span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); font-family: arial, sans-serif; "> </span><span class="yiv715415432hps" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); font-family: arial, sans-serif; ">an economical way</span><span class="yiv715415432" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); font-family: arial, sans-serif; ">, I believe that</span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); font-family: arial, sans-serif; "> </span><span class="yiv715415432hps" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); font-family: arial, sans-serif; ">is</span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); font-family: arial, sans-serif; "> </span><span class="yiv715415432hps" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); font-family: arial, sans-serif; ">so</span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); font-family: arial, sans-serif; "> </span><span class="yiv715415432hps" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); font-family: arial, sans-serif; ">good ...</span> <br><br>--- Em <b>sex, 24/2/12, Stefan Wöhrmann <i><<a href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@GOOGLEMAIL.COM">stefanwoehrmann@GOOGLEMAIL.COM</a>></i></b> escreveu:<br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;"><br>De: Stefan Wöhrmann
 <<a href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@GOOGLEMAIL.COM">stefanwoehrmann@GOOGLEMAIL.COM</a>><br>Assunto: AW: both-hand arrow<br>Para:
 <a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>Data: Sexta-feira, 24 de Fevereiro de 2012, 19:50<br><br><div id="yiv715415432">




 
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List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Im Auftrag von </span></b>Valerie Sutton<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Gesendet:</span></b> Freitag, 24. Februar
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Betreff:</span></b> Re: both-hand arrow</span></font></div> 

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<div class="yiv715415432MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Regarding this, let me show you a really beautiful writing in
SignWriting from Brazil, by Yuri, who posted this on Facebook, and thank you,
Yuri, for this posting - I was so happy to see it - I love seeing your
SignWriting - I hope you don't mind that I point to one of your SignSpellings
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right arrow is written over the right hand and the left arrow is written over
the left hand - the Rub symbol could be written once between the two arrows…
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<div class="yiv715415432MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Thank you for the question and the responses… I realize that you may be
using the General Arrowhead differently than the way I teach it…and all is ok.
Part of the reason there has been confusion is that our older textbooks did not
explain this well, in fact I believe the old textbook said "if they
contact, it is General, and that is true, but it is not the whole story… so you
can put the blame on my old textbooks ;-)</span></font></div> 

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<div class="yiv715415432MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">I have wanted to explain this better for a long time…It is a subject I
had been planning to bring up here on the List, so thank you for the question
Honza -</span></font></div> 

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<div class="yiv715415432MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">You see, the General Arrowhead means "Overlapping Paths". I
always imagine Marcel Marceau, the famous classic mime artist, with his hands
in black and white paint, painting imaginary paths of movement in space…</span></font></div> 

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<div class="yiv715415432MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Imagine your right hand has black paint on it. Your left hand has white
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<div class="yiv715415432MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Now imagine two hands moving down, side by side. They paint two
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<div class="yiv715415432MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">But now imagine the two hands with one above the other one, but NOT
contacting…just simply one above the other. When the two hands start to move
down together, the one above paints on top of the path of the one on the
bottom…the two paths blend…and when they blend…you can no longer see black or
white - it becomes grey… and so the GREY path is the General Arrowhead…</span></font></div> 

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overlap, to become GREY. It does not require contact.</span></font></div> 

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<div class="yiv715415432MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">and download number 1 on that web page - called SignWriting Basics.</span></font></div> 

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