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Val, muito obrigada, entendi perfeitamente todas as questões e a importância desse padrão de escrita.<br>Sim,temos duas historinhas que podem ser baixadas on line e um a historinha a um custo bem reduzido, que na época fiz juntamente com o Sergio Ribeiro. Acredito que agora farei revisão pensando nessa correção das setas.<br>Quando eu ministrava aulas para crianças surdas, eu traduzi várias histórias para o SW, mas infelizmente perdi esse material.<br>Estou escrevendo um conto em SW.<br>Meu projeto agora é escrever várias histórias em SW.<br><br>Obrigada<br><br><font style="" color="#0c0c0c"><font face="Times New Roman"><font style="font-size:12pt">Eda Amorim</font><br></font></font><font style="" color="#0c0c0c"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">Intérprete/Tradutora e Profa. de Língua Brasileira de Sinais<br>Especialista em Educação de Surdos<br><strong></strong><br> CENTRO EDUCACIONAL CULTURA SURDA LTDA.<br></font></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman"><font color="#0c0c0c">(11) 3416-7888 <br>(11) 2626-4945<br>(11) 9168-6761 <br></font><font color="#0c0c0c"><a href="mailto:contato@cultursurda.com.br">contato@cultursurda.com.br</a></font><br><font color="#0c0c0c"><a href="http://www.culturasurda.com.br/" target="_blank">www.culturasurda.com.br</a></font></font></font><br><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font><font style="" color="#0c0c0c"> </font><br><font style="font-size: 12pt;" color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font> <br><font style="font-size: 12pt;" color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font> <br><font style="" face="Times New Roman"><font color="#1f497d" size="3"></font></font> <br><font style="" face="Times New Roman"> <br></font><br><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:29:22 -0300<br>From: fcapovilla3@GMAIL.COM<br>Subject: Re: both-hand arrow<br>To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br><br><div>PS:</div>
<div>Please notice that</div>
<div>"DEIT" stands for "Dicionario Enciclopedico Ilustrado Trilingue".</div>
<div>It is not "DIET" but, rather, "DEIT".<br>It could not be "DIET" because it is a rather bulky dictionary, not a slim one.... (smile)</div>
<div>(even though I myself could use a DIET... - another smile)</div>
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<div>Dear Valerie and friends,</div>
<div>We are always doing progress in a number of fronts at the same time, and I am glad to inform that in the 2nd edition of the Novo Deit Libras we have adopted a more consistent set of conventions than we did in the previous edition of the Novo Deit Libras, as well as in the original Deit Libras. I hope you will enjoy the progress.</div>
<div>Thank you, and blessings to all,</div>
<div>Fernando</div>
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<div class="ecxgmail_quote">2012/2/27 Valerie Sutton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">sutton@signwriting.org</a>></span><br>
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<div>Hello Eda, Yuri, Fernando and everyone -</div>
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<div>Thank you for writing, and thank you, Yuri, for your explanation in Portuguese - I am looking forward to studying your messages too - I do appreciate the effort you made. Thank you!</div>
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<div>And I am so looking forward to telling the world about Fernando Capovilla's new dictionary which will be published soon. I feel so honored that Fernando and his team have included SignWriting and worked so hard on the thousands of entries - A huge job - For those who do not know about the dictionaries:</div>
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<div>So Eda, Yuri, Fernando, and everyone - Your efforts to write LIBRAS are admirable - Fernando and I have already discussed the issues of SignSpellings - There were so many different Deaf writers of the dictionaries which Fernando has produced, and we all know that some of them may not have had the time for proper instruction in SignWriting…and we have discussed trying to correct or re-write some of the SignSpellings in the dictionaries, and I actually did a little work on that with Fernando last year, but there are so many signs that I felt overwhelmed, So it is no one's fault, but there are some SignSpellings that are not the way I write, in the dictionaries…But I LOVE the dictionaries…no matter what...I am very happy and proud of the publications because we all know that writing has to start somewhere…without dictionaries there would be no writing at all…and so that is why I am explaining this to you all now, so that you can be informed and share the information with your co-workers and writers - Of course we can understand each other's writings, but it is good to know why we write as we do….</div>
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<div>I believe that most writers do not know this about the Movement Arrows - and if they understand the reason behind the Black, White and Grey (General) Arrowheads, I think they will see there is a real use for the original way the system was designed -</div>
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<div>The black arrow paints the right movement path. The white arrow paints the left movement path. When the right and left hands move far apart from each other, they paint two separate paths - one black and one white. That way, we can see the difference between movement with the right hand and movement with the left hand - This is important for linguistic reasons and for writing complex movement sequences when writing storytelling…Here are easy examples:</div>
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<div>BUT, imagine that your two hands move, and the black movement path writes on top of the white movement path…That is a grey or General Movement Arrow - as you can see here, in the sign for FOLLOW in ASL, the right hand is behind the left hand and follows the left hand…so the two movement paths blend and become one path…they are not contacting each other in this case, but it is a General Arrowhead because the paths blend...</div>
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<div>So now, let us take your examples. In the signs attached below, these signs show that the two hands are far apart from each other and move with separate paths. These signs are written correctly in this example, because they show the black and white paths a good space from each other, just like the starting position of the hands:</div>
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<div>But below, these signs are read differently. They mean something else. They show me that the hands start far apart from each other, but the Movement Path is blended together into one, which means that the black paint and the white paint are writing on top of each other…so that must mean that the two hands moved into the center to be closer to each other and then moved down either on top of each other, or maybe contacting each other, to create a single grey movement path going down - it is a different movement for me - </div>
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<div>Of course I can guess what you meant, because I know there are misunderstandings in the teachings, but I want you to know, Eda, how the system was designed. For simple signs like these I can imagine you wonder why it is necessary to show paths so exactly? That is because when we start to write complex storytelling, there are times when the Black, White and Grey (General) arrowheads are the only information we have for complex sequences - sometimes the right hand can be over on the left side of the body, or behind the body, in mime like sequences and the three movement paths are needed to be able to read the movement correctly…</div>
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<div>Thank you for asking questions and no worries - If you can start writing the way the system is designed, it will help when writing storytelling in LIBRAS later. Have you done that kind of writing? Have you written books, or long stories?</div>
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<div>On Feb 27, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Eda AMORim wrote:</div><br>
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<div style="padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-top:0px"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Olá, Val tudo bem?</span></div>
<div style="padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-top:0px"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Entendi a sua explicação.</span></div>
<div style="padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-top:0px"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Mas me parece que a maioria das pessoas que usam a escrita de sinais entenderam que; se as duas mão fazem o mesmo movimento para a mesma direção , então usa-se seta de ponta aberta (</span>General Arrow )<span> </span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">independente se elas estão sobrepostas ou não. Um exemplo disso são os sinais extraídos do dicionário Trilíngue Capovilla.</span></div>
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<div style="padding-bottom:0px;background-color:rgb(245,245,245);padding-left:0px;padding-right:0px;vertical-align:top;padding-top:0px"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:11pt" lang="EN">Hello, Val okay?<br>
I understood his explanation.<br>But it seems that most people who use writing signals understood that if both hands are doing the same move in the same direction, then it uses open-headed arrow (General Arrow) regardless if they are overlapping or not. An example of this signals are extracted from the dictionary Trilingual Capovilla.</span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:9pt" lang="EN-US"></span></div>
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<div style="padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-top:0px"><img alt=""><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"><span> </span></span><img alt=""><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"> <span> </span></span><img alt=""><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"></span></div>
<div style="padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-top:0px"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"> Orgulhoso orientador original</span></div>
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<div style="padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-top:0px"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Me parece que se tais sinais forem escritos com a seta de ponta aberta (</span>General Arrow )<span> </span><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145)">a leitura não saíra errada, porque entendo que as duas mão se movimentam para a mesma direção.</span></div>
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<div style="padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-top:0px"><span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="EN">It seems to me</span></span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)" lang="EN"><span> </span><span>that</span><span> </span><span>such signs</span><span> </span><span>are written with</span><span> </span><span>the</span><span> </span><span>open</span>-headed arrow<span> </span><span>(General</span><span> </span><span>Arrow</span>)<span> </span><span>reading</span><span> </span><span>had not come out</span><span> </span><span>wrong</span>,<span> </span><span>because I believe that</span><span> </span><span>both hands</span><span> </span><span>move</span><span>in the same direction</span>.</span><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145)" lang="EN-US"></span></div>
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<div style="padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-top:0px"><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145)">Essa então seria a forma correta de escrever os sinais acima? Me parece que nas duas grafias não haverá erro na leitura dos sinais.</span></div>
<div style="padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-top:0px"><span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:11pt" lang="EN">This then</span></span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:11pt" lang="EN"><span> </span><span>would be the</span><span> </span><span>correct way to write</span><span> </span><span>the above signs</span>?<span> </span><span>Seems to me that</span><span> </span><span>the two</span><span> </span><span>spellings</span><span> </span><span>no</span><span> </span><span>error in</span><span> </span><span>reading the signs</span>.</span><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145)" lang="EN-US"></span></div>
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<div style="padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-top:0px"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Val, desculpe se não estou entendendo ou se fiz alguma confusão.</span></div>
<div style="padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-top:0px"><span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:11pt" lang="EN">Val</span></span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:11pt" lang="EN">, sorry if<span> </span><span>I do not understand</span><span> </span><span>or</span><span> </span><span>did some</span><span> </span><span>confusion.</span></span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US"></span></div>
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Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 06:51:27 -0800<br>From:<span> </span><a href="mailto:nempretonembranco@YAHOO.COM.BR">nempretonembranco@YAHOO.COM.BR</a><br>Subject: Re: both-hand arrow<br>To:<span> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
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<br style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245);font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:16px"><span style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245);font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:16px"></span><span style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">I love</span><span style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245);font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:16px"> </span><span style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245);font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:16px">spelling!</span><span style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245);font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:16px"> </span><span style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245);font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:16px">(For</span><span style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245);font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:16px"> </span><span style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245);font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:16px">the sign languages... </span><span style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245);font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:16px">For the oral languages</span><span style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245);font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:16px"> , NO!</span><span style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245);font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:16px"> </span><span style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245);font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:16px">NEVER</span><span style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245);font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:16px">!</span><span style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245);font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:16px"> </span><span style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245);font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:16px">lol</span><span style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245);font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:16px">)</span> <br>
<br>--- Em<span> </span><b>sáb, 25/2/12, Valerie Sutton<span> </span><i><<a href="mailto:sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG">sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG</a>></i></b><span> </span>escreveu:<br>
<blockquote style="padding-left:5px;margin-left:5px"><br>De: Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG">sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG</a>><br>Assunto: Re: both-hand arrow<br>Para:<span> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
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<div>You know, the General Arrow is not a "both-hand" arrow - it is an "overlapping path" arrow -</div>
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<div>Yuri - Can I ask you a favor? Can you teach the "SignWriting in Brazil Facebook group " about Overlapping Paths in Portuguese?</div>
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<div>Google Translate does not do a perfect job - Here is the Google Translation - Can you fix the Portuguese for me? Many thanks!! Val ;-)</div>
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<div style="zoom:1" dir="ltr"><span>As</span><span> </span><span>setas</span><span> </span><span>direita, esquerda e</span><span> </span><span>Geral</span><span> </span><span>estão representando</span><span> </span><span>"</span><span>os caminhos</span><span> </span><span>do movimento</span><span>"</span><span>.</span></div>
<div style="zoom:1" dir="ltr"><span lang="pt"><br><span>Imagine</span><span> </span><span>sua mão direita</span><span> </span><span>tem</span><span> </span><span>tinta preta</span><span> </span><span>sobre ela.</span><span> </span><span>Sua mão esquerda</span><span> </span><span>tem</span><span> </span><span>pintura</span><span> </span><span>branca.</span><span> </span><span>Há um caminho</span><span> </span><span>preto,</span><span> </span><span>e um caminho</span><span> </span><span>branco</span><span> </span><span>mostrando o movimento</span><span> </span><span>no espaço.</span><br>
<br><span>Agora imagine</span><span> </span><span>duas mãos</span><span> </span><span>se movendo para baixo</span><span>,</span><span> </span><span>lado a lado.</span><span> </span><span>Eles pintam</span><span> </span><span>dois caminhos separados</span><span> </span><span>no espaço ...</span><span> </span><span>um caminho</span><span> </span><span>negro</span><span> </span><span>e um caminho</span><span> </span><span>branco.</span><br>
<br><span>Mas agora</span><span> </span><span>imaginar as</span><span> </span><span>duas mãos</span><span>, com</span><span> </span><span>um</span><span> </span><span>acima do</span><span> </span><span>outro, mas</span><span> </span><span>não</span><span> </span><span>contactando</span><span> </span><span>...</span><span> </span><span>simplesmente</span><span> </span><span>um</span><span> </span><span>acima do outro.</span><span>Quando as duas</span><span> </span><span>mãos começam a</span><span> </span><span>mover</span><span>-se juntos</span><span>, as</span><span> </span><span>tintas</span><span> </span><span>acima</span><span> </span><span>um</span><span> </span><span>em cima do</span><span> </span><span>caminho do</span><span> </span><span>outro no fundo</span><span> </span><span>... Os dois</span><span>combinam</span><span> </span><span>caminhos</span><span> </span><span>... E quando</span><span> </span><span>eles se misturam</span><span> </span><span>...</span><span> </span><span>você não pode</span><span> </span><span>ver</span><span> </span><span>preto ou branco</span><span> </span><span>- torna-se</span><span> </span><span>cinza</span><span> </span><span>e</span><span> </span><span>...</span><span> </span><span>de modo que o</span><span> </span><span>caminho</span><span> </span><span>é o</span><span> </span><span>GREY</span><span> </span><span>Arrowhead</span><span> </span><span>Geral</span><span> </span><span>...</span><br>
<br><span>Eles também poderiam ser</span><span> </span><span>entrar em contato</span><span> </span><span>...</span><span> </span><span>mas os caminhos</span><span> </span><span>a preto e branco</span><span> </span><span>têm de se sobrepor</span><span>, para se tornar</span><span> </span><span>cinza</span><span>.</span><span>Não requer</span><span> </span><span>contato.</span><br>
<br><span>Isto é ensinado</span><span> </span><span>nos</span><span> </span><span>livros didáticos</span><span> </span><span>"</span><span>Basics</span><span> </span><span>Signwriting</span><span>"</span><span> </span><span>a partir de 2009</span><span>, que é gratuito</span><span> </span><span>para download na</span><span> </span><span>web.</span><span> </span><span>Ir para:</span><br>
<br><span>SignWriting</span><span> </span><span>Aulas</span><span> </span><span>on-line</span><br><span><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.SignWriting.org/lessons</a></span><br>
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<div style="zoom:1" dir="ltr">Imagine your right hand has black paint on it. Your left hand has white paint on it. There is a black path, and a white path showing movement in space.</div>
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<div style="zoom:1" dir="ltr">Now imagine two hands moving down, side by side. They paint two separate paths in space…a black path and a white path.</div>
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<div style="zoom:1" dir="ltr">But now imagine the two hands with one above the other one, but NOT contacting…just simply one above the other. When the two hands start to move down together, the one above paints on top of the path of the one on the bottom…the two paths blend…and when they blend…you can no longer see black or white - it becomes grey… and so the GREY path is the General Arrowhead…</div>
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<div style="zoom:1" dir="ltr">They could also be contacting…but the black and white paths have to overlap, to become GREY. It does not require contact.</div>
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<div style="zoom:1" dir="ltr">This is taught in the textbook "SignWriting Basics" from 2009, which is free for download on the web. Go to:</div>
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<div style="zoom:1" dir="ltr">and download number 1 on that web page - called SignWriting Basics.</div>
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<div style="zoom:1" dir="ltr">Here is the excerpt from that book, on page 34 in the book (number page in the book)… the PDF page is page 39 -</div>
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<div>On Feb 24, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Yuri Barreto wrote:</div><br>
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<br>--- Em<span> </span><b>sex, 24/2/12, Stefan Wöhrmann<span> </span><i><<a href="http:///mc/compose?to=stefanwoehrmann%40GOOGLEMAIL.COM" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">stefanwoehrmann@GOOGLEMAIL.COM</a>></i></b><span> </span>escreveu:<br>
<blockquote style="padding-left:5px;margin-left:5px"><br>De: Stefan Wöhrmann <<a href="http:///mc/compose?to=stefanwoehrmann%40GOOGLEMAIL.COM" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">stefanwoehrmann@GOOGLEMAIL.COM</a>><br>Assunto: AW: both-hand arrow<br>
Para:<span> </span><a href="http:///mc/compose?to=SW-L%40LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>Data: Sexta-feira, 24 de Fevereiro de 2012, 19:50<br><br>
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<div style="padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-top:0px"><b><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-family:Tahoma;font-size:10pt;font-weight:bold">Von:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-family:Tahoma;font-size:10pt"><span> </span>SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>]<span> </span><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Im Auftrag von</span></b>Valerie Sutton<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Gesendet:</span></b><span> </span>Freitag, 24. Februar 2012 21:30<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">An:</span></b><span> </span><a href="http:///mc/compose?to=SW-L%40LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Betreff:</span></b><span> </span>Re: both-hand arrow</span></font></div></div>
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<div style="padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-top:0px"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">Regarding this, let me show you a really beautiful writing in SignWriting from Brazil, by Yuri, who posted this on Facebook, and thank you, Yuri, for this posting - I was so happy to see it - I love seeing your SignWriting - I hope you don't mind that I point to one of your SignSpellings ;-)</span></font></div>
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<div style="padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-top:0px"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">Notice the arrow in the first sign -</span></font></div></div>
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<div style="padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-top:0px"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">In this case, for me, this is not a General Arrowhead - the two paths are not overlapping into GREY…it would be a right and left arrowhead - The right arrow is written over the right hand and the left arrow is written over the left hand - the Rub symbol could be written once between the two arrows… here is an example...</span></font></div>
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<div style="padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-top:0px"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">On Feb 24, 2012, at 12:11 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:</span></font></div>
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<div style="padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-top:0px"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">Hello SignWriting List, Honza, Ingvild, Kimberley -</span></font></div>
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<div style="padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-top:0px"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt">I have wanted to explain this better for a long time…It is a subject I had been planning to bring up here on the List, so thank you for the question Honza -</span></font></div>
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