<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<div>March 1, 2012</div><div><br></div><div>Hello Madson -</div><div><br></div><div>I just wrote the sign for EXPLICAR with the other symbols, in the Brazilian signpuddle too - and both methods of writing are fine with me.</div><div><br></div><div><img height="174" width="134" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" id="418ed7bb-a5be-4138-aa99-6851a2aaf8be" src="cid:DD66969A-91BC-4C0F-A74E-82DAD8F60501"></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>The dot by dot version that I added is so detailed that I can certainly understand why you might feel it is too much detail. But it is accurate.</div><div><br></div><div>Your way of writing EXPLICAR below, is simpler and I can read it. I do not know if everyone will notice the fact that you put the symbol near the baby finger area to show that opens first, but it is worth a try!</div><div><br></div><div>Maybe the detail of which fingers open first doesn't matter for everyday writing? The idea of a Trill in general is enough information for people who know the language perhaps? I think that is what the Parkhursts were trying to tell me - that our symbols with all the dots are too much information and a simpler symbol is needed perhaps… so I can read both and whatever you feel is best is fine with me - if you want to explain your rule to others go right ahead and tell us what you learn from other writers -</div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>----------</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 1, 2012, at 2:29 PM, Madson Barreto wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;">Hello Valerie, Charles, Stefan and everyone,</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;">I know that when the hand is open and closes one finger at a time starting from the pinky finger, I know you can write in two ways:</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;">- Symbol "Opening the knuckles from the hand, one finger at a time" (an arrowhead inside the other) or</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;">- 'Finger trills' (as exemplified Valerie and Charles).</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;">The question is when the hand is closed (closed fist "S") and begins to open one finger at a time starting with the pinky finger. I thought of writing using the "Opening the
knuckles from the hand, one finger at a time" (an arrowhead inside the other) near the pinky finger.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;">See the following two examples:</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;">1 - Madrugada (dawn)</span></div><div><span><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 16px; "><img name="Madrugada-1.png" id="yiv973054723dafcacd5-0515-49fe-9829-672bdad653cd" height="230" width="221" style="border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 12pt; " apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:1.2818319608@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com"><br></blockquote></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;">2 - Explicar (explain)</span></div></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div class="yui_3_2_0_71_1330620956746131"><div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><img name="Explicar-1.png" id="yiv9730547232120a013-0436-4da6-9017-ca3d915c248a" height="209" width="197" style="border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; " apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:2.2818319609@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com"><br></font></div></div></blockquote></div><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De:</span></b> Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">sutton@signwriting.org</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:
bold;">Para:</span></b> SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages <<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Madson Barreto <<a href="mailto:barretobh@GMAIL.COM">barretobh@GMAIL.COM</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Enviadas:</span></b> Quinta-feira, 1 de Março de 2012 18:23<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Assunto:</span></b> Re: Opening the knuckles from the hand, one finger at a time<br> </font> </div> <br><div id="yiv973054723">SignWriting List<div>March 1, 2012</div><div><br></div><div>Hello Madson, Charles, Stefan and everyone -</div><div><br></div><div>Big smile ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>There are two ways to write Finger Trills - both are fine. I personally prefer this one, which shows the progression of one finger closing or opening and then the next and the next and the next - one dot at a time - you start reading at the end of the arrow and move towards the arrowhead direction - These are very
detailed symbols:</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><img height="875" width="1018" id="yiv9730547236f879125-dc18-4e55-a8a6-0b098338b320" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:3.2818319609@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com"></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 1, 2012, at 11:08 AM, Madson Barreto wrote:</div><br class="yiv973054723Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><div><div><span style="font-size:14px;">Hello Valerie and everyone</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;">Studying on "Opening the knuckles from the hand, one finger at a time", found the following:</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;">"The fingers are extended, opening the hand one finger at a
time, starting with the index and ending with the little finger. [...] Note: In some languages, opening or closing the hand one finger at a time Can start with the pinky or the index / thumb. In some cases it may be</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;">contrastive and you will need to Specify Which finger starts the process "(Parkhurst & Parkhurst. <span style="font-style:italic;">A Cross-Linguistic
guide to SignWriting®</span>: a phonetic approach, 2008, p. 70)</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;">In Libras has several signs that this movement begins with the pinky finger. I thought to adopt the following convention: put the symbol "Opening the knuckles from the hand, one finger at a time" near it (pinky finger) so it was clear that the movement starts for him.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;">See the examples:</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;">Madrugad</span><span style="font-size:13px;">a (Dawn)</span></div><div><span style="font-size:small;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:small;">Explicar (explain)</span></div><div><span style="font-size:small;"><br></span></div><div><span><span style="font-size:13px;">What do you
think?</span><br></span></div><div><span><span style="font-size:13px;"><br></span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-size:13px;">Madson Barreto</span></span><img id="yiv9730547232e0007e1-53f6-4417-8c26-25de7112eae8" height="232" width="274" style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; " apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:4.2818319609@web160202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com"></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div><br><br> </div> </div> </blockquote></div> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>