<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Mariana Stumpf uses that trill in her name sign (again I'm on a Mac that doesn't have Firefox, so now I "Finally" understand her hand sign which I had been reading as two "open hands" not a "trill."</span></div><div> </div><div>Charles Butler<br>chazzer3332000@yahoo.com<br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business forward.<br></div> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Valerie Sutton <sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 1, 2012
6:07 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Opening the knuckles from the hand, one finger at a time<br> </font> </div> <br>
<div id="yiv866629903"><div>SignWriting List<div>March 1, 2012</div><div><br></div><div>Hello Madson -</div><div><br></div><div>I just wrote the sign for EXPLICAR with the other symbols, in the Brazilian signpuddle too - and both methods of writing are fine with me.</div><div><br></div><div><img height="174" width="134" id="yiv866629903418ed7bb-a5be-4138-aa99-6851a2aaf8be" src="cid:1.2835978289@web125704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com"></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>The dot by dot version that I added is so detailed that I can certainly understand why you might feel it is too much detail. But it is accurate.</div><div><br></div><div>Your way of writing EXPLICAR below, is simpler and I can read it. I do not know if everyone will notice the fact that you put the symbol near the baby finger area to show that opens first, but it is worth a try!</div><div><br></div><div>Maybe the detail of which fingers open first doesn't matter for everyday
writing? The idea of a Trill in general is enough information for people who know the language perhaps? I think that is what the Parkhursts were trying to tell me - that our symbols with all the dots are too much information and a simpler symbol is needed perhaps… so I can read both and whatever you feel is best is fine with me - if you want to explain your rule to others go right ahead and tell us what you learn from other writers -</div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>----------</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 1, 2012, at 2:29 PM, Madson Barreto wrote:</div><br class="yiv866629903Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><div><div><span style="font-size:14px;">Hello Valerie, Charles, Stefan and everyone,</span></div><div><span
style="font-size:14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;">I know that when the hand is open and closes one finger at a time starting from the pinky finger, I know you can write in two ways:</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;">- Symbol "Opening the knuckles from the hand, one finger at a time" (an arrowhead inside the other) or</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;">- 'Finger trills' (as exemplified Valerie and Charles).</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;">The question is when the hand is closed (closed fist "S") and begins to open one finger at a time starting with the pinky finger. I thought of writing using the "Opening the
knuckles from the hand, one finger at a time" (an arrowhead inside the other) near the pinky finger.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;">See the following two examples:</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;">1 - Madrugada (dawn)</span></div><div><span><blockquote type="cite" style="font-size: 16px; font-family: times, serif; "><img name="Madrugada-1.png" id="yiv866629903dafcacd5-0515-49fe-9829-672bdad653cd" height="230" width="221" style="border-color:initial;border-color:initial;font-size:12pt;" src="cid:2.2835978289@web125704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com"><br></blockquote></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;">2 - Explicar (explain)</span></div></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div class="yiv866629903yui_3_2_0_71_1330620956746131"><div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york',
times, serif"><img name="Explicar-1.png" id="yiv866629903a013-0436-4da6-9017-ca3d915c248a" height="209" width="197" style="border-color:initial;border-color:initial;" src="cid:3.2835978289@web125704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com"><br></font></div></div></blockquote></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px;"> <div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times, serif; "> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De:</span></b> Valerie Sutton <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">sutton@signwriting.org</a>><br> <b><span style="
font-weight:bold;">Para:</span></b> SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> Madson Barreto <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:barretobh@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank" href="mailto:barretobh@GMAIL.COM">barretobh@GMAIL.COM</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Enviadas:</span></b> Quinta-feira, 1 de Março de 2012 18:23<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Assunto:</span></b> Re: Opening the knuckles from the hand, one finger at a time<br> </font> </div> <br><div id="yiv866629903">SignWriting List<div>March 1, 2012</div><div><br></div><div>Hello Madson, Charles, Stefan and everyone -</div><div><br></div><div>Big smile ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>There are two ways to write Finger Trills - both are fine. I
personally prefer this one, which shows the progression of one finger closing or opening and then the next and the next and the next - one dot at a time - you start reading at the end of the arrow and move towards the arrowhead direction - These are very
detailed symbols:</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><img height="875" width="1018" id="yiv866629903f879125-dc18-4e55-a8a6-0b098338b320" src="cid:4.2835978289@web125704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com"></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 1, 2012, at 11:08 AM, Madson Barreto wrote:</div><br class="yiv866629903Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><div><div><span style="font-size:14px;">Hello Valerie and everyone</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;">Studying on "Opening the knuckles from the hand, one finger at a time", found the following:</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;">"The fingers are extended, opening the hand one finger at a
time, starting with the index and ending with the little finger. [...] Note: In some languages, opening or closing the hand one finger at a time Can start with the pinky or the index / thumb. In some cases it may be</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;">contrastive and you will need to Specify Which finger starts the process "(Parkhurst & Parkhurst. <span style="font-style:italic;">A Cross-Linguistic
guide to SignWriting®</span>: a phonetic approach, 2008, p. 70)</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;">In Libras has several signs that this movement begins with the pinky finger. I thought to adopt the following convention: put the symbol "Opening the knuckles from the hand, one finger at a time" near it (pinky finger) so it was clear that the movement starts for him.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;">See the examples:</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;">Madrugad</span><span style="font-size:13px;">a (Dawn)</span></div><div><span style="font-size:small;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:small;">Explicar (explain)</span></div><div><span style="font-size:small;"><br></span></div><div><span><span style="font-size:13px;">What do you
think?</span><br></span></div><div><span><span style="font-size:13px;"><br></span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-size:13px;">Madson Barreto</span></span><img id="yiv866629903e0007e1-53f6-4417-8c26-25de7112eae8" height="232" width="274" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times, serif; " src="cid:5.2835978289@web125704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com"></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div><br><br> </div> </div> </blockquote></div> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div><br><br> </div> </div> </div></body></html>