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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hello Valerie, Madson, Charles,... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Well this is really a
challenge to come up with a spelling that allows the non-informed readerto
understand the idea of the scribe – <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>First of all – this kind
of discussion is not a done in a second ... and there are definitely some very interesting
aspects included which can be the issue of a two hour lesson. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I agree that the
presentation of the fotos made it much easier to understand the intention. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I agree that voting for
the Overhead View it is easier to understand the location and path of the
movement ... on the other hand – now we focus the problem to deal with
several different point of views (top – down, front, over-head ... all at the
same time. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I took some time to
rewrite the sign as if my students should read it best. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><img width=82 height=160
id="_x0000_i1028" src="cid:image003.jpg@01CCFC98.D45D13C0"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I add the nose to the
face ;-))<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>You see that I changed
the right – hand-shape –<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 color=blue
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 color=blue
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>Thumb</span></font></span><span
class=shorttext><font color=blue><span lang=EN style='color:blue'> </span></font></span><span
class=hps><font color=blue><span lang=EN style='color:blue'>and index</span></font></span><span
class=shorttext><font color=blue><span lang=EN style='color:blue'> </span></font></span><span
class=hps><font color=blue><span lang=EN style='color:blue'>fingers</span></font></span><span
class=shorttext><font color=blue><span lang=EN style='color:blue'> </span></font></span><span
class=hps><font color=blue><span lang=EN style='color:blue'>are slightly</span></font></span><span
class=shorttext><font color=blue><span lang=EN style='color:blue'> </span></font></span><span
class=hps><font color=blue><span lang=EN style='color:blue'>spread</span> – <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 color=blue
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 color=blue
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>Seen
from top down this hand shape is far better to understand compared to the
front view ( which by the way is very confusing in this special case.. but
that is another story and will opten the can of worms again ! ) <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 color=blue
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I use the
brush-information only once – the two arrows forward indicate the intention
(two times brushing the nose) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I add the final position.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I do this very often.
>From my point of experience this kind of spelling allows a fast and easy
reading without too much guessing.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I like to compare and to
study styles of spellings and Madson ... thank you for this wonderful example
of a difficult to write sign!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>All the best <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Stefan <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> SignWriting
List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>Valerie Sutton<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Montag, 5. März 2012
21:36<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: Puzzled</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>SignWriting List<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>March 5, 2012<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Hello Madson - Thank you for posting the photos below - that helped so
much!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>That is a hard sign to write easily -<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Just like Charles, when I read the way it was written in SignWriting
before, I did not realize we were dealing with both right and left hands. In a
case like this, I would suggest writing arm lines attached to the two hands in
the beginning…that way there is no doubt for the reader that we are starting
with two hands - <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>As you know, SignWriting originally started as a stick-figure writing
system, and in this case, adding arm lines will help the reader, whether you
write from the Front View or the Overhead View…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>So try writing it again if you can -<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Val ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>-------<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Charles Butler wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div><span style='right:auto'>
<div style='z-index:auto'>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>O sinal
gripe suino, sim. Eu nao entende sinal ter com duas maos. Agora e claro.</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The
sign is swine flu, yes. I did not understand the sign to have two hands. Now it
is clear.</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The
spelling would be right hand, left hand, head from above, then brush twice,
pinch twice, and move twice. Shouldn't it have two brush marks? </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Charles
Butler<br>
<a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br>
<span class=baec5a81-e4d6-4674-97f3-e9220f0136c1>240-764-5748<a
href="x-msg://239/" title="Call: 240-764-5748" style='border-bottom-color:initial;
border-left-color:initial;bottom: 0px;overflow-x: hidden;overflow-y: hidden;
border-top-color:initial;cursor:pointer;border-right-color:initial;float:none;
right:0px'><span style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm;text-decoration:
none'><img border=0 width=16 height=16
id="_x0037_ee33e64-1ee9-4666-8bfe-78ae9aeb02ed"
src="cid:image004.gif@01CCFC98.D45D13C0" style='border-bottom-color:initial;
border-left-color:initial;bottom: 0px;overflow-x: hidden;overflow-y: hidden;
border-top-color:initial;cursor:pointer;border-right-color:initial;border-bottom-style:
none;border-bottom-width:medium;border-left-style:none;border-left-width:medium;
border-right-style:none;border-right-width:medium;border-top-style:none;
border-top-width:medium;display:inline;float:none;height:16px;left:0px;
margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-top:0px;right:0px;
top:0px;vertical-align:middle;white-space:nowrap;width:16px;position:static'
title="Call: 240-764-5748" apple-width=yes apple-height=yes></span></a></span><br>
Clear writing moves business forward.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>-------<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Mar 5, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Madson Barreto wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Hello
Charles!</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>This
signal is not flu. It is "swine flu" (Influenza 'A' - H1N1).</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The
left hand ("S" - closed fist) touch or stand in front of the nose.</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The
right hand ("pinch") causes the movement indicated in speeling
(writing).</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>See
photos.</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Write
your hands in front of the face of the sign difficult to read, so we chose to
write in Vision Up.</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Regards,</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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