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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Hi Valerie, Adam,
Madson, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>We discussed this
question several times and as often I try to = understand your point of view
=96 I am sorry. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I do not follow
this =93rule=94 =96 but prefer to follow the visual = impression of left and
right hand<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>It is as you
mentioned several times before ... =93 that SignWriting is = a large and
flexible writing system<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>So - Madson - I
can understand what you had in mind with your question<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Good to know that
there are only very few hand shapes that cause trouble like this. And a good
way to overcome the problem is to use the side view - in that case everything
should be fine for both point of views.=20<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Stefan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> SignWriting
List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>Valerie Sutton<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Mittwoch, 18. April 2012
17:02<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b>
SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: Handshape 09-030 -
Doubt in laterality</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>SignWriting List<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>April 18, 2012<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Hi Madson and Adam -<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Thank you for these messages. Yes, Adam is teaching the way we write
here, as I have taught him. I designed the International SignWriting Alphabet
2010 based on the way I teach SignWriting. Palm facing is flexible, and the
Deaf ASL signers who work with me, and I, write palm facing based on the
original way SignWriting was developed, based on the original stick figure
drawing. Most of the time, hands relate to the center of the body, and the
white palm facing shows that the palm is directed toward the body, but the
majority of fingers, that hold the meaning in handshapes, need to be directed
in the direction that holds meaning for the sign. That is why Adam explains
below that there is no "right or left", but instead, the direction of
the extended fingers "hold the meaning"…I am happy to explain more if
you wish…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>There are several theories on writing palm facing in SignWriting, and
the most important thing to know is that SignWriting is a large and flexible
writing system …<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>If you want to know more about the DAC palm facing, you can download
this book…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'><a
href="http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs7/sw0618_SignWriting_Hand_Symbols_Manual_Sutton_Frost.pdf">http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs7/sw0618_SignWriting_Hand_Symbols_Manual_Sutton_Frost.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>It makes an attempt at explaining how the DAC and I write palm facing,
but we will be adding more explanations this summer - Adam is graduating with
an MA in linguistics from Gallaudet in a month, and then he is coming here to
work with me this summer…can't wait to see you, Adam, and congrats!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Thank you, Madson, for your excellent questions - I am excited that you
like SignPuddle 2.0 ;-)))<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:18 AM, Adam Frost wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>They are correct as followed by Val and other DAC writers. Here is the
link to the animated gif I made of this handshape. <a
href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/group09/01-09-030-01.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/group09/01-09-030-01.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>There is no real "right" and "left". This handshape
follows a group of handshapes that don't "rotate" like the others
because there is some counter to the "signs point to the center"
and/or "finger direction is important" concepts. For these
handshapes, the writer choses the handshape orientation that fits best with the
target sign.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>If you have a sign that you are trying to write with this handshape, we
can talk about it here and it will help you understand how this handshape works
better.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Apr 18, 2012, at 10:00 AM, Madson Barreto wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Hi
Valerie and everyone,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Handshape
01-09-030 in ISWA order is correct?</span></font><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>It
seems that the first position of each queue is changed laterality (left and
Right).</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>See the
image with doubt.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Madson
and Raquel Barreto<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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