<div dir="ltr">Thanks for the links, Jonathan. However, Ethnologue uses a specialized triliteral code that doesn't reflect common usage (e.g. ase for ASL), while Wikipedia lists and links to a lot of sign languages but doesn't have any information on Egyptian Sign. (I'm hoping to help set up a page for Egyptian Sign soon.) <div>
<br></div><div>I'll keep searching, but until I hear of anything different, I think I'll use EgSL as a stand-in, to keep it from being confused with English as a Second Language. Thanks again! </div><div>-Ryan<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Jonathan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:duncanjonathan@yahoo.ca">duncanjonathan@yahoo.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Hi Ryan,<br>
Welcome to the list. <br>
Here are two lists of world sign languages.<br>
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<a href="http://www.ethnologue.com/show_family.asp?subid=23-16" target="_blank">http://www.ethnologue.com/show_family.asp?subid=23-16</a><br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sign_languages" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sign_languages</a><br>
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Regards,<br>
Jonathan<div><div class="h5"><br>
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On 4/19/2012 5:30 AM, Ryan Fan wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">One thing I forgot to ask: Does anyone know if
there's an accepted abbreviation for Egyptian Sign Language?
EgSL, perhaps? (Analogous to Arabic Sign Language being
referred to as ArSL.) If there is a list of accepted names and
abbreviations you could refer us to, that would be awesome.
<div>
Many thanks! </div>
<div>-Ryan<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Ryan
Fan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ryanfan42@gmail.com" target="_blank">ryanfan42@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello Val!
<div>Thanks for referring me to the research and the
Saudi Arabian SignPuddle. I'm sure it will be an
interesting comparison in terms of signs and SW
conventions. I'll try to add an English, Modern
Standard Arabic (MSA), and Egyptian Arabic gloss for
each sign, if available. </div>
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<div>An important thing to keep in mind about Arabic:
"Arabic" is an umbrella term for many different
stratified and overlapping spoken languages. (This is
an oversimplification; we can discuss in more depth
later.) Many native speakers are not able to actively
distinguish features of their spoken variety and other
varieties, including the MSA used in literature. The
same appears to hold true for perceptions of the
distinction between Egyptian Sign and what I've seen
in Egypt referred to as simply "Arabic Sign."
Hopefully, some of the data collection I'm trying to
do will shed more light on this subject from a Sign
perspective. </div>
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<div>Thanks again, and keep on dancing! </div>
<span><font color="#888888">
<div>-Ryan</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at
5:32 AM, Valerie Sutton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org" target="_blank">sutton@signwriting.org</a>></span>
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<div>Hello Ryan!</div>
<div>Thank you for your correspondence
today, and for adding signs to the
Egyptian SignPuddle Dictionary, which has
been close to empty for several years,
waiting for someone to take interest in
writing Egyptian Sign Language…</div>
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<div>Egyptian SignPuddle</div>
<div><a href="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=1&sgn=84" target="_blank">http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=1&sgn=84</a></div>
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<div>So it was only natural for me, when I
saw your message and some of the signs you
have written in SignPuddle, that I danced
around my office - because I did! Good
news is a good reason to dance…smile...</div>
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<div>We will benefit from learning about
Arabic, linguistics, Egypt and Egyptian
Sign Language, so feel free to inform us…
It sounds like you are doing interesting
research and we look forward to learning
more about it - </div>
<div><br>
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<div>Have you read some of Dr. Mohamed
AbuShaira's research on SignWriting in
Deaf Education in Jordan and Saudi Arabia?
It is in Arabic...</div>
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<div><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/arabia/" target="_blank">http://www.signwriting.org/arabia/</a></div>
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<div>Have you seen the Saudi Arabian
SignPuddle in Arabic? </div>
<div><br>
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<div>Saudi Arabian SignPuddle</div>
<div><a href="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=1&sgn=91" target="_blank">http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=1&sgn=91</a></div>
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<div>Several countries will benefit from an
Arabic User Interface in SignPuddle, so
thank you for offering to help with that -</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Val ;-)</div>
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Ryan Fan wrote:</div>
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<div>Hi all, <br>
My name's Ryan, and I'm trying
to start work on the Egyptian
SignPuddle, <br>
slowly transferring signs from
my notebook onto the SignPuddle
database. In <br>
truth, I'm rather new to
SignWriting, and how my studies
have led me to this <br>
juncture is a bit of a long
story. <br>
<br>
In short, I have limited
experience with ASL from grade
school hymns and a <br>
high school ASL club many years
ago. My undergraduate work
focused on <br>
mathematics and linguistics, as
well as Arabic. I've been
living in Egypt for the <br>
past couple years, studying
Arabic while searching for a
place to learn Egyptian <br>
Sign Language. The bureaucracy
here is something of a tortuous
and torturous <br>
labyrinth, especially for
foreigners, and I only managed
to start attending <br>
weekly Egyptian Sign classes
this Spring, mere months before
my departure to <br>
start a graduate program in
Arabic Linguistics back in the
US. I hope to return <br>
relatively frequently (in
intervals of ~6-12 months) for
documentation and <br>
research on both spoken Egyptian
Arabic and Egyptian Sign. <br>
<br>
Reading over Val's warm/dancing
welcome to my inquiry and seeing
some of the <br>
archived emails, I'm grateful to
be part of such a supportive and
inquisitive <br>
community! Please feel free to
contact me via email should you
feel the strong <br>
and sudden urge to discuss
anything pertaining to Arabic,
linguistics, Egypt, <br>
signing, any combination of
those, or anything else, really.
Thanks! <br>
-Ryan<br>
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