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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Ingvild, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>so nice to read a message
from you! I agree with what you say. In addition to that – of course you
need some kind of special software to allow yourself to watch the video
sometimes frame by frame!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hope you are doing fine!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>All best<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Stefan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> SignWriting
List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>Ingvild Roald<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Dienstag, 2. Oktober
2012 12:09<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b>
SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: annotation in
receptive rather than expressive view point</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>As I see it, the easier way to
convert from receptive to expressive for writing, is to view the video and copy
the sign you see by doing it yourself. Then you write what you do, the sign as
you are making it from viewing the video. That is, do the translation
/transistion manually rather than 'in your head'.<br>
<br>
All the best,<br>
<br>
Ingvild <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 15:02:50 +0200<br>
> From: oscar.koller@GMAIL.COM<br>
> Subject: annotation in receptive rather than expressive view point<br>
> To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>
> <br>
> Hi Charles,<br>
> <br>
> thanks for your answer.<br>
> <br>
> > Oscar, as you have an assistant annotating video tapes, trying to<br>
> > translate in your head to an expressive point of view may be driving <br>
> > you crazy.<br>
> <br>
> Yes, I have been thinking about that too. And it would be preferable to <br>
> do annotation from the receptive view point. However, I need the <br>
> transcriptions in an expressive view point in order to match all the <br>
> other entries in SignPuddle (as I use them to initialise my system). The <br>
> manual annotations are intended to serve as evaluation of the <br>
> initialized system, thus they need to match.<br>
> <br>
> If there was an automatic (mathematical) way of converting receptive <br>
> into expressive view points, then we could do the "easier"
annotation. <br>
> But I learnt from Steve Slevinski, that this has not been implemented <br>
> and to me it doesn't seem trivial to implement it.<br>
> <br>
> Or does anybody think differently?<br>
> <br>
> Regards, Oscar.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Am 28.09.2012 13:51, schrieb Charles Butler:<br>
> > Oscar, as you have an assistant annotating video tapes, trying to<br>
> > translate in your head to an expressive point of view may be driving
you<br>
> > crazy. One project in Belo Horizonte is using receptive SignWriting<br>
> > specifically when annotating video tapes so that you see parallel<br>
> > movements, not mirror movements when you look at them side by side.
You<br>
> > write what you see on the videotape, not reverse it to your own
hands.<br>
> ><br>
> > What this means is that the videotaped person's left hand is on your<br>
> > right, and the videotaped person's right hand is on your left. You
have<br>
> > to remember that you are writing another person's hands, not your
own,<br>
> > so when you look in a dictionary like Delegs or any of the current<br>
> > SignPuddles, you will not find what you see on a videotape, but its<br>
> > expressive equivalent.<br>
> > Charles Butler<br>
> > chazzer3332000@yahoo.com<br>
> > 240-764-5748<br>
> > Clear writing moves business forward.<br>
> >
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> > *From:* Charles Butler <chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM><br>
> > *To:* SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>
> > *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2012 7:29 AM<br>
> > *Subject:* Re: help with signwriting<br>
> ><br>
> > Oscar,<br>
> ><br>
> > Reply, in the first sign, you are using a "both hands" arrow
when the<br>
> > hands are moving separately. If you are bringing the hands back
toward<br>
> > yourself, you need two arrows toward yourself, put them next to each<br>
> > hand rather than in the middle. This is a common mistake as I'd be
able<br>
> > to read it, but the hands are not moving in a common path. This is a<br>
> > common mistake, a single arrow is only used when both hands are
actually<br>
> > together.<br>
> ><br>
> > In the second sign, your left hand is pointed downward, but you are<br>
> > using a right hand arrow moving twice. Use a left hand arrow or a
right<br>
> > hand, not a mix. You could move your right hand in this fashion, but<br>
> > your hand would be twisted outward rather awkwardly, unlikely that
this<br>
> > is what you mean.<br>
> > Charles Butler<br>
> > chazzer3332000@yahoo.com<br>
> > 240-764-5748<br>
> > Clear writing moves business forward.<br>
> >
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> > *From:* Oscar Koller <oscar.koller@GMAIL.COM><br>
> > *To:* SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>
> > *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2012 6:06 AM<br>
> > *Subject:* help with signwriting<br>
> ><br>
> > Hello everybody,<br>
> ><br>
> > I added following appended 4 entries to the German Sign Puddle. The<br>
> > editors noted in each case that the writing is not correct. Could<br>
> > anybody explain to me, what should be changed?<br>
> ><br>
> > Thanks<br>
> > Oscar.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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