<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Yes, I agree that we should leave time to think and discuss before we start. We might be able to cull a few of the kind of images that would elicit one or two sentences (such as Stefan suggests) for the Frog book...<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jan 19, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann <<a href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE">stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Hi Erika and sw-friends<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">sorry for the delay with
my comment. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Looking at the frog story
and looking at the video with the pear story --- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">... I felt like – o no,
that is much too – I will not be able to write the one or the other – there is
so much work to be done in my class as you know. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">A quite different idea
came to my mind. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Do you know of these
drawings for beginners in any new language showing: 1) a knife on a table, 2)
a boy writing at the blackboard, 3) a girl playing with her cat 4) a mother working
in the flower garden, a) a bird singing on a tree ... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">What about to compare
around the world how people would express this idea in their given Signlanguage
and write this down in SignWriting. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Do not know whether this
kind of documents would provide that kind of information that are interesting<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Just look at the
different signs in the various SL for dog, mother, colors, .... and maybe this
kind of short descriptions show common concepts of grammar or SL as well... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Looking forward to your
answer . and I think it would be good to take some time for group discussion,
brainstorming before anybody starts to transcribe anything... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Best <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Stefan <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Von:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">
SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
[<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLL">mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLL</a></span></font><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"><a href="http://EGE.EDU">EGE.EDU</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:
bold">Im Auftrag von </span></b>Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Gesendet:</span></b> Samstag, 19. Januar 2013
15:54<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">An:</span></b>
<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Betreff:</span></b> Re: idea for SW book</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Thanks Maria!<br>
Yes, I'm hoping I can get a publisher to reproduce all the texts in my
book, so they'll be available that way. But I think they should be available
outside the book too - through the SW website or the puddle or whatever, so
that they can be useful to all of us and other researchers. <br>
I'll look for a more accessible pear stories link and post when I've found one
:)<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 9:42 AM, MARIA GALEA <<a href="mailto:maria.azzopardi@um.edu.mt" target="_blank">maria.azzopardi@um.edu.mt</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Hi Erika,<br>
Hope you are fine, and happy new year. Great to hear about the next steps<br>
in your book. i can't open the link to the other story of the pear..any<br>
idea how to get that story? Also will the data be available to use by<br>
other researchers who would look at other aspects of it such as<br>
cross-linguistic<br>
comparisons? I really hope you manage to pool in a good number of texts.<br>
Will be very glad to help with the LSM written story for you.<br>
Thanks<br>
<span class="hoenzb"><font color="#888888"><span style="color:#888888">maria</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> Hi KJ - thanks for your feedback. The frog story is quite long but you're<br>
> right that an excerpt might work!<br>
><br>
> Sent from my iPhone<br>
><br>
> On Jan 18, 2013, at 9:44 PM, "KJ Boal" <<a href="mailto:kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG">kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
>> I do like the idea of cross-linguistic elicitation material like what<br>
>> you’ve suggested, though I think both those pieces are quite long – we<br>
>> might want to select an excerpt from one of them. (My vote is for<br>
>> something from Frog, Where Are You? – I like being able to look back
and<br>
>> forth at the pictures to construct the story in my mind, since I don’t<br>
>> normally think in ASL. I know I’d find a picture story easier to work<br>
>> with than a video.)<br>
>> Great idea!<br>
>> KJ<br>
>><br>
>> From: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages<br>
>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>]
On Behalf Of Erika<br>
>> Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>
>> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 1:17 PM<br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: idea for SW book<br>
>><br>
>> Hi all!<br>
>> I've been thinking over what material we should use a shared starting<br>
>> point for producing SW documents for the book. I don't want to us to<br>
>> translate from a text in a written (signed or spoken) language. So,
I'm<br>
>> thinking the best approach might be to an elicitation material
commonly<br>
>> used in cross-linguistic spoken and signed language research, such as<br>
>> Frog, Where Are You? (a picture story with no written text) or The
Pear<br>
>> Story video.<br>
>> For those not familiar -<br>
>> The former can be seen in the appendix of this article:<br>
>> <a href="http://childes.psy.cmu.edu/manuals/frog.pdf" target="_blank">http://childes.psy.cmu.edu/manuals/frog.pdf</a><br>
>> The latter can be viewed here: <a href="http://pearstories.org/" target="_blank">http://pearstories.org/</a><br>
>> I suggest one of these because they've been chosen precisely because<br>
>> they are thought to be relatively cross-culturally accessible - and we<br>
>> are a diverse group :)<br>
>> They are also thought to elicit interesting grammatical variation in<br>
>> languages.<br>
>> Finally, because there is so much research on sign languages that has<br>
>> used these materials for elicitation, the texts you produce can more<br>
>> easily become a part of a broad comparative cannon.<br>
>> Frog, Where Are You? will be more work for you all though, as<br>
>> translating it will certainly take much longer - and for that reason
The<br>
>> Pear Stories might be a better choice.<br>
>> However, it would be really cool if another result of this project was<br>
>> to contribute to the written sign language literature available for<br>
>> d/Deaf children and other readers!<br>
>> Mercer Meyer has been very generous in lending this story to research,<br>
>> and I can look into what it would take to make it permissible to have<br>
>> multilingual versions of the text with the illustrations available on<br>
>> the SSW website. Having the translations be useful not only for
research<br>
>> purposes but also for kids to read would certainly be in the SW
spirit!<br>
>> What do you all think?<br>
>> Best,<br>
>> Erika<br>
>><br>
>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com">signwriting@mac.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>> SignWriting List<br>
>> January 17, 2013<br>
>><br>
>> On Jan 17, 2013, at 9:38 AM, Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:erhoffma@oberlin.edu">erhoffma@oberlin.edu</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> Yes, I think for the purposes of this project it's fine for
participants<br>
>> to create the document in whatever way they prefer. Many who use<br>
>> SignPuddles may want to use that option, but delegs, or even
handwriting<br>
>> are fine with me. These different approaches themselves provide<br>
>> interesting data for my project!<br>
>><br>
>> ---------<br>
>><br>
>> Yes…I agree. Another software program is SignWriter Studio, developed
in<br>
>> Honduras, and in Honduras they also have shown us some amazing<br>
>> handwritten documents using full stick figures - so the variety of<br>
>> software and writing styles is quite amazing…<br>
>><br>
>> Take a look at the Honduran document attached…this looks like
documents<br>
>> from Denmark too:<br>
>><br>
>> <image001.jpg><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Val ;-)<br>
>><br>
>> Valerie Sutton<br>
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