<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt">see, that is why its never a good idea to say so directly "you're wrong." 'I wouldn't sign it that way' is always better. I brush (not rub) straight up, so now we have three variations of one sign. lol. Are they regional variations, individual variations, or are one or two of us 'wrong'? No real way to know...<br><br>shall we discuss how to sign FROG instead? I'm in for this project btw, we are in the middle of a hellacious mountain of paperwork and meetings and contractors trying to buy a fannie mae foreclosure house, or I would have responded sooner. <br><br>cherie<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;"> <div
style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> KJ Boal <kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 21, 2013 3:15 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: A Pear Story<br> </font> </div> <br>
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--></style><div><div class="yiv41776238WordSection1"><div class="yiv41776238MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">OK, I agree you’re doing PSE – but the sign “pear” is still written wrong because the right had should move to the left – toward the left wrist. I have no issue with the Rub symbol (sorry if I used the wrong word), I just disagree with the arrows.</span></div><div class="yiv41776238MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">You’ve taken issue with others’ sign spelling before, I didn’t think you’d be that defensive if someone pointed out a problem with yours.</span></div><div class="yiv41776238MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">KJ</span></div><div class="yiv41776238MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv41776238MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma", "sans-serif";" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma", "sans-serif";" lang="EN-US"> SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Charles Butler<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 20, 2013 8:57 PM<br><b>To:</b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: A Pear Story</span></div><div class="yiv41776238MsoNormal"> </div><table class="yiv41776238MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;" valign="top"><div class="yiv41776238MsoNormal">I was working directly off of the ASL Sign Puddle. I'm glad to write it out long-hand and make the
sign on ASL puddle more explicit. <br><br>Signed English would be: I picked up the pairs and put them into the bag. <br><br><img id="yiv41776238_x0000_i1025" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?size=0.7&panel=D119x571_M59x37S19210n11xn17S20500n3x6_M59x136S1c100n9x15S1ce00n7xn43S26600n15xn10_M59x248S36e10n20x4S1800723x5S2650412xn30S2050015xn10_M59x353S15711n6xn36S18508n23xn23S21300n7xn11S26a06n2x9_M59x439S1854019xn7S14c02n44xn11S26506n5xn8_M59x521S2b700n12xn31S18527n7x3"><br><img id="yiv41776238_x0000_i1026" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?size=0.7&panel=D102x571_M51x40S15a1an6xn20S15a514xn3S2c700n28xn17_M51x124S2df04n11xn24S1fb00n10x5_M51x225S37605n35xn37S20500n19xn2S2050014xn3S1004019x7S2890en10x11_B51x286S38800n36xn4"><br><br>I have no time markers, what I have is PSE. <br><br>Me pick pear into bag. <br><br>I just looked at the sign on the ASL sign puddle, and the sign shows "rub between" which
means it stays on the hand, and does not brush off. The arrows show the direction of the rub, but the rub says that the hands remain in contact. A brush would move off. <br><br><img id="yiv41776238_x0000_i1027" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=02-01-012-01-01-01&color=000000">This is a brush, it would move off in the direction of the arrow. <br><br><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;">pear</span></b><img id="yiv41776238_x0000_i1028" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=M23x36S15711n6xn36S18508n23xn23S21300n7xn11S26a06n2x9&pad=10&name=pear"><br><br>This is a rub, the hand remains in contact and moves in the direction of the arrow (which means the right hand is grasping the left hand and moving to the right in the direction of the arrow but it does not move off the hand.<br><br>Charles Butler<br><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com" target="_blank"
href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business forward.<br><br>--- On <b>Sun, 1/20/13, KJ Boal <i><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG" target="_blank" href="mailto:kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG">kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG</a>></i></b> wrote:</div><div class="yiv41776238MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><br>From: KJ Boal <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG" target="_blank" href="mailto:kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG">kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG</a>><br>Subject: Re: A Pear Story<br>To: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>Date: Sunday, January 20, 2013, 7:37 PM</div><div id="yiv41776238"><div><div><div class="yiv41776238msonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Nice story, Charles, but I think you misspelled “pear” – the right hand should rub the left, but your arrows show the right hand moving away from the left.</span></div><div class="yiv41776238msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Works for me as an example of Signed English!</span></div><div class="yiv41776238msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">KJ</span></div><div class="yiv41776238msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv41776238msonormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",
"sans-serif";" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma", "sans-serif";" lang="EN-US"> SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Valerie Sutton<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 19, 2013 3:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: A Pear Story</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv41776238msonormal"> </div><div class="yiv41776238msonormal">SignWriting List</div><div><div class="yiv41776238msonormal">January 19, 2013</div></div><div><div class="yiv41776238msonormal"> </div></div><div><div
class="yiv41776238msonormal">We got it, Charles - This is great! </div></div><div><div class="yiv41776238msonormal"> </div></div><div><div class="yiv41776238msonormal">I still need to make that SignPuddle file - it is coming - </div></div><div><div class="yiv41776238msonormal"> </div></div><div><div class="yiv41776238msonormal">Meanwhile wherever you save it in SignPuddle, be sure to put in the Text area, that the document is for the "Anthropology Book Project"…</div></div><div><div class="yiv41776238msonormal"> </div></div><div><div class="yiv41776238msonormal">Val ;-)</div></div><div><div class="yiv41776238msonormal"> </div></div><div><div class="yiv41776238msonormal">------</div></div><div><div class="yiv41776238msonormal"> </div></div><div><div class="yiv41776238msonormal"> </div></div><div><div class="yiv41776238msonormal"> </div><div><div><div class="yiv41776238msonormal">On Jan 19, 2013, at 2:00 PM,
Charles Butler <<a href="" rel="nofollow">chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM</a>> wrote:</div></div><div class="yiv41776238msonormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"> </div><div><table class="yiv41776238MsoNormalTable" border="1" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;" valign="top"><div class="yiv41776238msonormal"><img id="yiv41776238d312b-9018-4249-a03a-d21f28c084a6" src="cid:1.2125132229@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com" border="0" height="400" width="150"></div></td><td style="padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;" valign="top"><div class="yiv41776238msonormal"><img id="yiv41776238c492f187-ee19-4a6e-a907-7215436ad3f1" src="cid:2.2125132230@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com" border="0" height="400" width="150"></div></td><td style="padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;" valign="top"><div class="yiv41776238msonormal"><img id="yiv41776238f613a4-f4a7-4c0f-a9e4-07b0c3850437" src="cid:3.2125132230@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com" border="0"
height="400" width="150"></div></td><td style="padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;" valign="top"><div class="yiv41776238msonormal"><img id="yiv41776238d4675c4-4476-4799-9825-aa2f8df9b2e8" src="cid:4.2125132230@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com" border="0" height="400" width="150"></div></td><td style="padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;" valign="top"><div class="yiv41776238msonormal"><img id="yiv41776238c7272743-e6ad-40d6-ae10-de46ce0c1b05" src="cid:5.2125132230@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com" border="0" height="400" width="150"></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div><div class="yiv41776238msonormal"> </div></div><div style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;">I picked a bag of pears. The bag ripped. What to do? I put the pears into the bag again. I got onto a bicycle. No. No. The bears ripped the bag again. Enough. I give the pears to you. </div><div class="yiv41776238MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;" align="center"><hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"></div><div
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