<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Sorry, KJ,I didn't mean to come across as defensive. I chose to simply use the ASL SignPuddle dictionary feature and did not augment the sign with my own distinct flavor, but took Natasha'sinstead. Once I am back working with Deaf SW people every day, I will get back to more ASL translations. I just wanted to get stuff rolling.<BR><BR>Charles Butler<BR>chazzer3332000@yahoo.com<BR>240-764-5748<BR>Clear writing moves business forward.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 1/21/13, KJ Boal <I><kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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<P class=yiv208196544MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">OK, I agree you’re doing PSE – but the sign “pear” is still written wrong because the right had should move to the left – toward the left wrist. I have no issue with the Rub symbol (sorry if I used the wrong word), I just disagree with the arrows.</SPAN></DIV>
<P class=yiv208196544MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">You’ve taken issue with others’ sign spelling before, I didn’t think you’d be that defensive if someone pointed out a problem with yours.</SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=yiv208196544MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US> SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Charles Butler<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 20, 2013 8:57 PM<BR><B>To:</B> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: A Pear Story</SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=yiv208196544MsoNormal>I was working directly off of the ASL Sign Puddle. I'm glad to write it out long-hand and make the sign on ASL puddle more explicit. <BR><BR>Signed English would be: I picked up the pairs and put them into the bag. <BR><BR><IMG id=yiv208196544_x0000_i1025 src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?size=0.7&panel=D119x571_M59x37S19210n11xn17S20500n3x6_M59x136S1c100n9x15S1ce00n7xn43S26600n15xn10_M59x248S36e10n20x4S1800723x5S2650412xn30S2050015xn10_M59x353S15711n6xn36S18508n23xn23S21300n7xn11S26a06n2x9_M59x439S1854019xn7S14c02n44xn11S26506n5xn8_M59x521S2b700n12xn31S18527n7x3"><BR><IMG id=yiv208196544_x0000_i1026 src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?size=0.7&panel=D102x571_M51x40S15a1an6xn20S15a514xn3S2c700n28xn17_M51x124S2df04n11xn24S1fb00n10x5_M51x225S37605n35xn37S20500n19xn2S2050014xn3S1004019x7S2890en10x11_B51x286S38800n36xn4"><BR><BR>I have no time markers, what I have is PSE.
<BR><BR>Me pick pear into bag. <BR><BR>I just looked at the sign on the ASL sign puddle, and the sign shows "rub between" which means it stays on the hand, and does not brush off. The arrows show the direction of the rub, but the rub says that the hands remain in contact. A brush would move off. <BR><BR><IMG id=yiv208196544_x0000_i1027 src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=02-01-012-01-01-01&color=000000">This is a brush, it would move off in the direction of the arrow. <BR><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">pear</SPAN></B><IMG id=yiv208196544_x0000_i1028 src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=M23x36S15711n6xn36S18508n23xn23S21300n7xn11S26a06n2x9&pad=10&name=pear"><BR><BR>This is a rub, the hand remains in contact and moves in the direction of the arrow (which means the right hand is grasping the left hand and moving to the right in the direction of the arrow but it does not move off the
hand.<BR><BR>Charles Butler<BR><A href="http://us.mc1634.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chazzer3332000@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</A><BR>240-764-5748<BR>Clear writing moves business forward.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 1/20/13, KJ Boal <I><<A href="http://us.mc1634.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG">kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG</A>></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=yiv208196544MsoNormal><BR>From: KJ Boal <<A href="http://us.mc1634.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG">kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG</A>><BR>Subject: Re: A Pear Story<BR>To: <A href="http://us.mc1634.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</A><BR>Date: Sunday, January 20, 2013, 7:37 PM</DIV>
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<P class=yiv208196544msonormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Works for me as an example of Signed English!</SPAN></DIV>
<P class=yiv208196544msonormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">KJ</SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=yiv208196544msonormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US> SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [<A href="http://us.mc1634.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Valerie Sutton<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 19, 2013 3:15 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href="http://us.mc1634.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: A Pear Story</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=yiv208196544msonormal>We got it, Charles - This is great! </DIV></DIV>
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<P class=yiv208196544msonormal>I still need to make that SignPuddle file - it is coming - </DIV></DIV>
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<P class=yiv208196544msonormal>Meanwhile wherever you save it in SignPuddle, be sure to put in the Text area, that the document is for the "Anthropology Book Project"…</DIV></DIV>
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<P class=yiv208196544msonormal>Val ;-)</DIV></DIV>
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<P class=yiv208196544msonormal>On Jan 19, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Charles Butler <<A rel=nofollow>chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM</A>> wrote:</DIV></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">I picked a bag of pears. The bag ripped. What to do? I put the pears into the bag again. I got onto a bicycle. No. No. The bears ripped the bag again. Enough. I give the pears to you. </DIV>
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