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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Erika, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>you are doing such a
fantastic job trying to moderate the beginning of this interesting project! ...
and Cherie “</span></font><font size=4 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial'>that is why its never a good idea to
say so directly "you're wrong."<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Smile ;-) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Stefan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB
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SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
[mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Im
Auftr</span></b></span></font><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>ag von </span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Erika
Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Montag, 21. Januar 2013
15:58<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b>
SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: A Pear Story</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi Cherie,<br>
Great, welcome! I don't want to insist on any sort of tight time frame for this
project. I'm happy to keep it going on a rolling basis so that as many people
who are interested can participate despite their other obligations. So please
let feel free to join in when you're finished with the house (and good luck!).<br>
Likewise, Charles feel free to join back in once you're settled in Brazil (and
also good luck with that!).<br>
Best,<br>
Erika<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Cherie Wren <<a
href="mailto:cwterp@yahoo.com" target="_blank">cwterp@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face=Arial><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>see, that is why its never a good idea to say so directly
"you're wrong." 'I wouldn't sign it that way' is always
better. I brush (not rub) straight up, so now we have three variations of
one sign. lol. Are they regional variations, individual variations,
or are one or two of us 'wrong'? No real way to know...<br>
<br>
shall we discuss how to sign FROG instead? I'm in for this project btw,
we are in the middle of a hellacious mountain of paperwork and meetings and
contractors trying to buy a fannie mae foreclosure house, or I would have
responded sooner. <br>
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cherie<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'> KJ Boal <<a
href="mailto:kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG" target="_blank">kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG</a>><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 21, 2013
3:15 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: A Pear Story<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>OK, I agree you’re
doing PSE – but the sign “pear” is still written wrong because the right had
should move to the left – toward the left wrist. I have no issue with the Rub
symbol (sorry if I used the wrong word), I just disagree with the arrows.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>You’ve taken issue
with others’ sign spelling before, I didn’t think you’d be that defensive if
someone pointed out a problem with yours.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>KJ</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:<a
href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Charles Butler<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, January 20, 2013
8:57 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: A Pear Story</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I was working directly off of the ASL Sign Puddle.
I'm glad to write it out long-hand and make the sign on ASL puddle more
explicit. <br>
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Signed English would be: I picked up the pairs and put them into the bag. <br>
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<img border=0 width=32 height=32 id="_x0000_i1026" src="%20"><br>
<img border=0 width=32 height=32 id="_x0000_i1027" src="%20"><br>
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I have no time markers, what I have is PSE. <br>
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Me pick pear into bag. <br>
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I just looked at the sign on the ASL sign puddle, and the sign shows
"rub between" which means it stays on the hand, and does not brush
off. The arrows show the direction of the rub, but the rub says that the
hands remain in contact. A brush would move off. <br>
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<img border=0 width=32 height=32 id="_x0000_i1028" src="%20">This is a brush,
it would move off in the direction of the arrow. <br>
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</span></font><b><font size=4><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-weight:bold'>pear</span></font></b><img
border=0 width=32 height=32 id="_x0000_i1029" src="%20"><br>
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This is a rub, the hand remains in contact and moves in the direction of the
arrow (which means the right hand is grasping the left hand and moving to the
right in the direction of the arrow but it does not move off the hand.<br>
<br>
Charles Butler<br>
<a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com" target="_blank">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br>
<a href="tel:240-764-5748" target="_blank" value="+12407645748">240-764-5748</a><br>
Clear writing moves business forward.<br>
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--- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sun, 1/20/13, KJ Boal <i><span
style='font-style:italic'><<a href="mailto:kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG"
target="_blank">kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG</a>></span></i></span></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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From: KJ Boal <<a href="mailto:kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG" target="_blank">kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG</a>><br>
Subject: Re: A Pear Story<br>
To: <a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
Date: Sunday, January 20, 2013, 7:37 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>Nice story, Charles,
but I think you misspelled “pear” – the right hand should rub the left, but
your arrows show the right hand moving away from the left.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>Works for me as an
example of Signed English!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>KJ</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [<a
href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Valerie Sutton<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, January 19, 2013
3:15 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: A Pear Story</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>January 19, 2013<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>We got it, Charles - This is great! <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>I still need to make that SignPuddle file - it is
coming - <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Meanwhile wherever you save it in SignPuddle, be
sure to put in the Text area, that the document is for the "Anthropology
Book Project"…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Val ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Jan 19, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Charles Butler
<chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>I picked a bag of pears. The bag ripped. What to do?
I put the pears into the bag again. I got onto a bicycle. No. No. The bears
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